Crossover LHAC
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Re: Crossover LHAC
BG is class A.
A team that has gone undefeated in the LHAC is class A.
A team that gets great kids from a 6A base because they don’t want to play for the 6A and deal with all the travel and losses that come with it. Play for BG and look what you do get. They don’t have to recruit. Look at the product they are selling. People want the product and all that comes with it.
BG might see a team like Mo Valley, Claysburg, or Glendale in the District semifinals.
BG is not really class A. They aren’t like 95% of the schools who really are class A. In a 6 classification system this is more ridiculous than ever.
A team that has gone undefeated in the LHAC is class A.
A team that gets great kids from a 6A base because they don’t want to play for the 6A and deal with all the travel and losses that come with it. Play for BG and look what you do get. They don’t have to recruit. Look at the product they are selling. People want the product and all that comes with it.
BG might see a team like Mo Valley, Claysburg, or Glendale in the District semifinals.
BG is not really class A. They aren’t like 95% of the schools who really are class A. In a 6 classification system this is more ridiculous than ever.
Re: Crossover LHAC
Hit the nail on the head. They will mercy rule every team in D6 playoffs. They won’t be tested until they see Westinghouse in state playoffsfootballguy99 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2024, 8:26 am BG is class A.
A team that has gone undefeated in the LHAC is class A.
A team that gets great kids from a 6A base because they don’t want to play for the 6A and deal with all the travel and losses that come with it. Play for BG and look what you do get. They don’t have to recruit. Look at the product they are selling. People want the product and all that comes with it.
BG might see a team like Mo Valley, Claysburg, or Glendale in the District semifinals.
BG is not really class A. They aren’t like 95% of the schools who really are class A. In a 6 classification system this is more ridiculous than ever.
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The day anyone looks at week 10 games as “meaningless” they should stop sponsoring football…. Just my opinion
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When you have a conference that has teams from 7 different playoff brackets there will always be teams that handle these games different ways. District 6 A, AA, AAA, AAAA, District 5 AA and AAA, and District 9 AAA.
It’s a new era and coaches and kids have figured out which games matter and which ones don’t. For Tyrone and Chestnut Ridge this game is important and should be a good one. For Clearfield, Bedford, Penn Cambria, and BG why would you risk a player getting hurt when you have clinched the #1 seed?
It’s a new era and coaches and kids have figured out which games matter and which ones don’t. For Tyrone and Chestnut Ridge this game is important and should be a good one. For Clearfield, Bedford, Penn Cambria, and BG why would you risk a player getting hurt when you have clinched the #1 seed?
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If BG is such a big recruiter, can I get a couple names of players who have transferred in. Also interesting that BM/BC is barely sneaking in , two recruiting privates playing together should beat any public school they play.
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How about some facts, not just your opinionfootballguy99 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2024, 8:26 am BG is class A.
A team that has gone undefeated in the LHAC is class A.
A team that gets great kids from a 6A base because they don’t want to play for the 6A and deal with all the travel and losses that come with it. Play for BG and look what you do get. They don’t have to recruit. Look at the product they are selling. People want the product and all that comes with it.
BG might see a team like Mo Valley, Claysburg, or Glendale in the District semifinals.
BG is not really class A. They aren’t like 95% of the schools who really are class A. In a 6 classification system this is more ridiculous than ever.
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Re: Crossover LHAC
What did I say that was an opinion?
They DON’T have to recruit. They don’t have to get kids later. It’s a place people want to be for athletic purposes.
Look at Altoona’s schedule. Why do that when you don’t have to? It’s like travel ball. Of course people will pay for this opportunity.
The fact that they are in Class A is disgraceful. That’s my only opinion. Private schools have to have successful athletics to survive. Look at the alternative options for the same type of education with no athletics or very weak programs. A private school is a product that is marketed. A private school is a business. BG is nothing like the teams in their bracket. Joke. Joke. Joke. Run away from AA because if the product goes downhill, the money goes away too. That happened at BM/BC. BM then allowed all kinds of wrestling things to go on…why? They need to improve what they have for sale. The education piece alone isn’t bringing kids in.
They DON’T have to recruit. They don’t have to get kids later. It’s a place people want to be for athletic purposes.
Look at Altoona’s schedule. Why do that when you don’t have to? It’s like travel ball. Of course people will pay for this opportunity.
The fact that they are in Class A is disgraceful. That’s my only opinion. Private schools have to have successful athletics to survive. Look at the alternative options for the same type of education with no athletics or very weak programs. A private school is a product that is marketed. A private school is a business. BG is nothing like the teams in their bracket. Joke. Joke. Joke. Run away from AA because if the product goes downhill, the money goes away too. That happened at BM/BC. BM then allowed all kinds of wrestling things to go on…why? They need to improve what they have for sale. The education piece alone isn’t bringing kids in.
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Re: Crossover LHAC
So they don't recruit, they play by the rules set forth by the PIAA and you have an issue that they are doing it better than anyone else in single A. Cambria Heights parent?
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CoffinCorner...Really? Come on. Let's be clear. BG is a very good football team. Combination of a talented roster, well coached and sound schemes that allow their players to be successful. But, come on! People can say all they want about playing within the rules, but that doesn't make it right. You asked about facts, here's facts based upon your statement that Altoona parents would rather their athletes go to BG than Altoona. That's a fair statement and it's likely very accurate. So, now you have a private school in Altoona (city population of 42,418 per 2024 census projections) who is competing in the playoffs with the likes of Northern Cambria (population 3,435) & Claysburg (population 1,104) & Moshannon Valley (Houtzdale population 833)----you get my point. Those are numbers and that's the issue. If you take two random populations from anywhere in the world and put together a group of athletes to play any sport and one group pulls athletes from 1,000 to 3,000 people and the other groups pulls from 30,000+, I'm not even sure how you would put odds on the smaller population base being successful. In a lot of ways that's quite literally a David vs Goliath scenario. Now, here's the real kicker though...BG doesn't just have kids from Altoona!! They can and do have kids from anywhere in the whole world if they wanted to. That's being dramatic, but I don't believe it's untrue--maybe someone wants to fact check me on that? They at least have kids from probably at least 6 different communities and school districts on their roster.
This is single A HS football that we're talking about in rural central Pennsylvania! One kid can and does make a tremendous impact on a team. The right kid at defensive end can change a whole defense. The right kid on the OL can shuffle the others around and take a decent OL to being a great OL. That's why and how BG benefits so much by playing single A in the playoffs. They start with a great base in the Altoona population and then they get cherries on top every time a kid from elsewhere in Blair, Bedford, Cambria, Huntingdon, Centre, etc., counties decides he wants to rock the purple and gold too!!!
BG is very good. They play up in the regular season in the LHAC and they win regularly. They're playing larger schools than they are (by graduation numbers) so it's tough to argue against it. But, playing in the single A state playoffs is a different story. Personally, I think people could swallow the private vs public debate a whole lot easier if the privates acknowledged the advantage they have and played up in the playoffs. As was pointed out previously, this would likely result in not as many state titles, but this is HS sports. I don't think the intent is to create dynasties...right? Coach Wheeler and his staff do a great job. They still have to coach the kids up and get them to execute. They do that as well as anyone in the area. There will never be anyone who can rationalize away the idea that a school or community the likes of Northern Cambria or Claysburg or Portage or Glendale, etc., should have to compete in the state playoffs with BG and call it a level playing field. Offering that the PIAA permits it as an explanation is really just proving the point.
"Congratulations, Penns Manor. Great season you had this year, you guys scratched and clawed to stay alive and make the playoffs. In recognition of your efforts, you get to play a team that may have kids from 3-5 different counties on their roster in the first round of the playoffs." ----I don't know if Penns Manor will play BG in round one, but you get my point.
I guess we're just making sure that our leaders of tomorrow understand that life just isn't fair...
I'll finish with this thought since the topic of the PIAA rules was touched upon. I do not know the answer to this question, someone please educate me on this---If two smaller schools form a co-op I believe the PIAA requires 1/2 of the eligible enrollment from the smaller school to be included in the total enrollment of the larger school for classification purposes. It doesn't matter if the larger school gains 1, 2, 5, or 10 players from the smaller school. They have to account for 1/2 of the enrollment in classification. Is this not the same system in place for private schools? Maybe it is, I don't know the answer to that. If it's not, it certainly seems like it should be.
This is single A HS football that we're talking about in rural central Pennsylvania! One kid can and does make a tremendous impact on a team. The right kid at defensive end can change a whole defense. The right kid on the OL can shuffle the others around and take a decent OL to being a great OL. That's why and how BG benefits so much by playing single A in the playoffs. They start with a great base in the Altoona population and then they get cherries on top every time a kid from elsewhere in Blair, Bedford, Cambria, Huntingdon, Centre, etc., counties decides he wants to rock the purple and gold too!!!
BG is very good. They play up in the regular season in the LHAC and they win regularly. They're playing larger schools than they are (by graduation numbers) so it's tough to argue against it. But, playing in the single A state playoffs is a different story. Personally, I think people could swallow the private vs public debate a whole lot easier if the privates acknowledged the advantage they have and played up in the playoffs. As was pointed out previously, this would likely result in not as many state titles, but this is HS sports. I don't think the intent is to create dynasties...right? Coach Wheeler and his staff do a great job. They still have to coach the kids up and get them to execute. They do that as well as anyone in the area. There will never be anyone who can rationalize away the idea that a school or community the likes of Northern Cambria or Claysburg or Portage or Glendale, etc., should have to compete in the state playoffs with BG and call it a level playing field. Offering that the PIAA permits it as an explanation is really just proving the point.
"Congratulations, Penns Manor. Great season you had this year, you guys scratched and clawed to stay alive and make the playoffs. In recognition of your efforts, you get to play a team that may have kids from 3-5 different counties on their roster in the first round of the playoffs." ----I don't know if Penns Manor will play BG in round one, but you get my point.
I guess we're just making sure that our leaders of tomorrow understand that life just isn't fair...
I'll finish with this thought since the topic of the PIAA rules was touched upon. I do not know the answer to this question, someone please educate me on this---If two smaller schools form a co-op I believe the PIAA requires 1/2 of the eligible enrollment from the smaller school to be included in the total enrollment of the larger school for classification purposes. It doesn't matter if the larger school gains 1, 2, 5, or 10 players from the smaller school. They have to account for 1/2 of the enrollment in classification. Is this not the same system in place for private schools? Maybe it is, I don't know the answer to that. If it's not, it certainly seems like it should be.
Re: Crossover LHAC
Tim Lucko current head coach Huntington with 0- 9 record was slightly more successful as defensive coordinator at Bishop Carroll. I would say the talent amassed at BC greatly exceeds his ability as a coach seeing the difference in records when comparing performance at a private vs public.