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Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 5th, 2008, 12:00 am
by ham55
Fox and NBC split the coverage.

ESPN and ESPN2 get Nationwide Series races (NASCAR's version of AAA baseball)

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 7th, 2008, 11:45 am
by Former Wildcat
I didn't say anything about a sports worth. I just said that a basketball championship is more impressive than a wrestling one because many more people play and follow basketball than wrestling. As to why it is not on television, it IS because not enough people would watch it. It usually shows up on regional telecasts because it is a regional sport. Do you really think ESPN wouldn't show wrestling if they thought people would watch? They don't show it because no one outside of the northeast cares. It's the same reason that they no longer show hockey.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 7th, 2008, 1:15 pm
by deliverance
Do more people show up to wrestling matches or basketball games in the BleacherCoaches area? I can't even remember if NBC has a basketball team or a soccer team :roll: .

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 8th, 2008, 12:23 pm
by Former Wildcat
Apparently, deliverance does not understand the word regional. Of course, more people show up at wrestling matches in this area. It is a regional sport. Across the country, more people show up at basketball games than wrestling matches and it is not even close. In fact, more people show up at soccer games across the country than wrestling matches. This does not devalue any of the sports, it is just a fact. My point, if you have been paying attention, is that it is more impressive to win a national championship in the second most popular sport in the country than the 7th, 8th or 9th most popular. Despite the fact that wrestling is greatly popular in the northeast, it is not a national sport like basketball. I am not sure why this emits such a negative response.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 8th, 2008, 1:41 pm
by deliverance
You are getting the negative response because you said about it taking the same demands out of a basketball player as a wrestler. They are two completely different demands. Go to a basketball practice one day and go to a wrestling practice the next day. You will see the different demands. You cannot sit out practice in wrestling if you are injured due to the weight loss factor. You do not need to practice every day in basketball. You see it all the time. I guess I am surprised you do not know the demands of what it takes to become a wrestler.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 10th, 2008, 11:45 am
by Former Wildcat
The only thing that I said is that both sports are demanding. I did not say they had the same demands. I don't think you can know the demands of a sport just by attending a practice. The demands of a sport are partially dependent on how serious the athlete is about the sport so it is not a black and white thing anyway. Most good basketball players spend countless hours in the gym and at the park playing basketball and shooting hoops. Basketball practices are more about learning systems and running plays than developing skills, although that is also a part. My guess is that wrestling practice mostly involves learning and practicing moves. Both sports require a high level of conditioning. Both sports are demanding. My basic point from the beginning was that basketball is more popular and thus winning a championship is more difficult because you have beaten a larger pool of competition. Just like a championship in water polo - a very demanding sport - would not impress me as much as one in wrestling.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 10th, 2008, 3:34 pm
by deliverance
Yes, but a basketball championship is not won individually. So, Mario Chalmers can go out during a game and score 2 points. Heck, he can choose not to play and Kansas can still win 95% of their games. A wrestler goes out their by himself and wins or loses the match by himself. Two totally different types of sports. It takes a complete different type of mental toughness and physicality. I agree that college basketball is a much bigger sport and deservedly so because of the profits. This should not take anything away from a College Wrestling National Championship. The finals were actually broadcasted on ESPN2. Also, the Big 10 Network carried matches all year long, so it is becoming more of a televised sport. However, I will never agree with the demands being close in basketball and wrestling. Two completely different demands and I am not trying to diminish what a basketball player does. It's just not even close, in my opinion.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 11th, 2008, 7:38 am
by Former Wildcat
I am guessing that if you looked at the demands on the time of the PSU wrestler and Mario Chalmers, they would be similar. I would guess that the amount of out of practice work would be similar. I think this is the case of a wrestler trying to stick up for his sport and that is fine. However, I think most basketball players would disagree that wrestling is much more demanding.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 11th, 2008, 10:38 am
by WALTER4
Time demand isn't the best way to determine which sport is harder. I'm sure Tiger Woods spends as much or more time golfing as any college athlete does in their particular sport. That doesn't mean he has the same amount of physical demand as a wrestler or basketball player.

Re: Penn State Nat. Champ and Pitt Nat. Chump (as usual)

Posted: April 11th, 2008, 5:36 pm
by deliverance
I actually follow basketball very closely and played for a lot of years in my younger days. I actually think I might have competed against Former Wildcat in an intramural championship game. So, I actually have much love for both sports. I just feel basketball is not near as physically demanding as wrestling. I agree with you about the time demands, but physically and mentally, they are completely different.