Penn State Sanctions over!

[El-Moldo]

Are you talking to me? Originally, as part of sanctions imposed on Penn State, the Big Ten Conference gave PSU a 5 year fine EQUAL to it's share in all the bowl monies received from the revenue produced by bowl games involving Big Ten teams. In other words, PSU got NO bowl money like the other teams did. So what did the Big Ten do with the share PSU was supposed to get? It probably went to the Big Ten Conference, not to the Big Ten teams. Sounds like a money decision to me.

[SFB14]

In my opionion just about any decision at this level is somewhat driven by money, always has been always will be. Having said that I'm not as cynical about the timing as you might be El-Moldo. It was known for weeks that this was the approximate week that the next Mitchell report would be coming out. It came out at a similar time last year and was anticipated to be released this week by many in the media. The fact that the release came after a horrible weekend as far as national perception for Big 10 football is most likely just coincidence.

As for the "Joe-Bots" and their crusade to turn back the clock well I'm sorry, but that ship has sailed. I'm a PSU grad (1986) as is my wife (1987) and daughter (2008) and have always been a huge supporter of the university/program. To this day I'm just sickened that Sandusky perpetuated some of his crimes at the university which means so much to me. He can rot in hell and anyone else who possibly had a hand in covering it up, enabling him, or didn't stop him if they knew, can join him. I don't know what precisely what happened with Paterno, Schultz, Spanier, and Curley and I'm hopeful the upcoming trials for the latter 3 will perhaps shed some light on that. However, I do know that the reputation for all involved has been tarnished outside of those with PSU ties and with many within the PSU community. Whether Joe is given his wins back or not, at this point what does it matter? The games were played, his teams won them, but to think some amendment to numbers within the NCAA record book will completely restore his reputation on a national basis is just folly to me. To continue to be so tone deaf as to harp on restoring his wins on a day like yesterday (as the Paterno family predictably did) doesn't do anyone any good in my opinion.

I don't believe PSU should have ever been punished in the first place by the NCAA. It was, and will always be a criminal matter better left to the courts. Emmert and the NCAA piled on because the crimes were so horrific that the public backlash against anything PSU (despite 99.999% of PSUers having no involvement in them) allowed them to do so. The forced the consent decree down PSU's throat by saying they "voluntarily" ageed to it while knowing the threat of the death penalty forced their hand. I'm still looking for the rule in the NCAA rulebook that PSU broke. It was never a case the NCAA should have stepped in (and I'd hold this opinion no matter what school was involved) and I think the reduction of the penalties over the last two years is at least a tacit admission by the NCAA of that reality.

Sorry for the length of the post.

[WPIAL~Titan]

Interesting read:

http://blog.pennlive.com/capitol-notebo ... t-comments

[Eaglealum]

Titan, do you use 409 when you clean you kitchen? Just wondering... Lol

[WPIAL~Titan]

Good one Eagle! Hope that you are well. How are the Golden Iggelz looking?

You know it's funny, the only place that I can find Formula 409 is in central PA.

The rest of the country sells Formula 298.

[WPIAL~Titan]

BTW, SFB14, that was an excellent post. You are proof that not everyone on this board is a JoeBot or PaterKNEW sycophant.

The current players are casualties of the nearly 5 full decades of deceit, lies, and corruption under Paterno. The NCAA has reduced the sanctions, the NCAA is saying that PSU in now merely in COMPLIANCE, and doing what they failed to do for decades under Paterno and his underlings in violating Title IX and the Cleary Act.

Paterno and the rest of the arrogant PSU leadership trumpeted "Success With Honor" and "The Grand Experiment" and even wrote books about these myths condemning portraying others as unwholesome renegades like Sherrill and Switzer. Leadership and brainwashed cultists bragged that their football team never had an NCAA violation.

Paterno, Spanier, and the "We Are" Crowd claimed they were special and didn't allow others to forget this contrived myth, throwing it in the faces of others at every opportunity.

The stark reality is that for decades, NCAA policy and Federal Laws were violated at PSU. Even worse, whistleblowers like McQueary, Tripponey, and even the janitors were silenced by the machine and feared the Wizard behind the curtain (JVP) who ruled the autocracy. Paterno handled ALL PLAYER discipline. Paterno espoused to turn common high school recruits into honorable men and model citizens. Paterno taught these young men the true meaning of accountability, in some cases for felonies committed by team members, through impactful life lessons such as forcing players to pick up trash at Beaver Stadium on Sunday mornings following games and making the preps run extra wind sprints and bear crawls after practice.

No sir, nobody got one over on Joe Paterno. He was as sharp as a tack. He remembered everyone and everything. He knew it and heard about it when a church mouse passed gas in Altoona if it involved his football team.

When it came time for JVP to stand up and be a true hero worthy of being depicted in a statue, he failed.

Paterno passed the issue onto his "superiors", who we all know, that in reality, were his lap dogs. He waited until days later to report McQueary's concerns to "his bosses" because he didn't want to disturb their weekends. He nearly hung up on McQueary when he called because he didn't want to hear about him wanting a full time coaching job.

One thing that I do acknowledge is that JVP did admit that in hindsight he should have done more. It's too bad that virtually everyone thinks the only reason he says this is because he was caught red handed not practicing the Success With Honor that he preached and threw in everyone's faces for decades. I tend to think that JVP thought this secret was going to his grave with him. Too little too late.

The reality is that it's true that what happened at PSU was a criminal matter AND an NCAA matter. The consent decree saved PSU football from the death penalty. SMU got a multiple year Death Penalty for far less. The sanctions did little to affect the football only culture at PSU.

[Manfred]

Good one Eagle! Hope that you are well. How are the Golden Iggelz looking?

You know it's funny, the only place that I can find Formula 409 is in central PA.

The rest of the country sells Formula 298.

Formula 298 never worked, just like the NCAA's over-zealousness. But boy, they kept trying, 111 more times till they got it right.

[SFB14]

Thanks Titan. While we'll have to agree to disagree on whether the PSU sanctions were or have ever been a matter for the NCAA to adjudicate (I still maintain the NCAA enforcement division has rightfully never been set up to handle criminal cases & I can recite countless criminal cases where they didn't get involved) I can understand there are people who do. I still have never had anyone be able to tell me what NCAA rule PSU specifically broke and how it was broken. IMO the entire thing was a grandstand play by Emmert who in the words of Paul Finebaum on ESPN radio yesterday was just trying to "win a press conference". The biggest reason the sanctions were walked back, again IMO, were this fact was realized over the past couple years in Indianapolis.

There are people in the PSU community who think Joe could do and has done no wrong. Also, there are people who never liked Joe or PSU who feel like he was a puppet master who pulled every string on everyone and thing that happend in State College. I happen to believe the truth, as with most things, lies somewhere in the middle. Do I think Paterno was perfect and handled the sickening Sandusky situation as well as he could have? Of course not, he admitted as much when he said he'd wished he done more. On the other hand I believe he affected the lives of countless young people (not just players) in a positive way throughout the years and was not some evil man who cared only for himself and his program.

I'm not one who believes the Freeh report is a document without it's flaws as well. I don't know how you can reach the absolute conclusions he did when you never even talk to the people you are vilfying and see if there are any other details they might bring to the table that might alter your findings. The recent Ray Rice case ought to remind of us of the danger of believing one side of a story (Rice and his wife) when there might be evidence that exists (the in-elevator video) which might shed additional light on that story at a later date. Does anyone think that Roger Goodell wishes he had waited for all the facts before rendering a judgment? Yeah, me too.

I'm hopeful that once the upcoming trials of Spanier, Curley, and Schultz are concluded we all might have a clearer picture of what happened, when it happened, and how everything was handled. The NCAA punishment was a rush to judgment and holding the death penalty over PSU while jamming the consent decree down their collective throats was the wrong way to handle the entire situation. Once the criminal and civil courts are done with and all the facts that can be known are, I'm hopeful that everyone who is to blame, and to what degree are held completely accountable, no matter who they are. Until that day comes relying on one side of the story (i.e. the Paternos, the Freeh report, "Joe-Bots, or Paterno haters) as history as shown us repeatedly, may just be a mistake.

[Goodwill]

Good one Eagle! Hope that you are well. How are the Golden Iggelz looking?

You know it's funny, the only place that I can find Formula 409 is in central PA.

The rest of the country sells Formula 298.

Crack work WPInheAdL with your research and as always you have me at the edge of my seat. It brings me such joy to hear Penn State can play in a bowl game this year and just the thought of your emotional state currently is priceless. Who loves ya WPInheAdL, lets do lunch better yet lets watch some football together and hugs and kisses.