Lock 'em up - throw away the key
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fleaflicker
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
Right now I think in a more logical fashion than an emotional one. And if a person can be rehabilitated and become a productive member of society rather than wasting away, I think they should have every chance to do so unless they killed a whole bunch of people or something. Yeah, yeah, perhaps from a parent's perspective it wouldn't be as good as killing every single child molester, regardless or their race, gender, background, religion, etc., but it is certainly better than the system in place today. With police watching their every single move more or less, how are they going to be able to do much of anything to harm a child? I mean, they know that the moment they did, they would be in the slammer for life, or perhaps death.
Besides, the way you talk, I'm sure you'd like to be the person who pulls the switch at every execution, and thinks that we should do away with lethal injection because it's not cruel enough. I think that every life has some value, and unless that person is beyond saving, we should give them the chance to succeed.
And don't even try that abortion bull with me. I am not in favor of it as a form of birth control, and think it should only be allowed in extreme circumstances, such as rape, or if the mother's life is in danger. And besides all that, if it cannot live on its own, is it truly alive? Another question for you to debate, but this isn't about abortion.
Every life has value, and we can rehabilitate a person and have them become a productive member of society, then that's good. Unless he raped or killed the kid, I doubt he ruined their life, or did irrepairable psychological harm, or whatever. Yeah, it's pretty perverted, but in the big picture, does a person failing to control their impulses once, especially when it doesn't do irrepairable harm, warrant something much more serious, such as taking their life?
Besides, the way you talk, I'm sure you'd like to be the person who pulls the switch at every execution, and thinks that we should do away with lethal injection because it's not cruel enough. I think that every life has some value, and unless that person is beyond saving, we should give them the chance to succeed.
And don't even try that abortion bull with me. I am not in favor of it as a form of birth control, and think it should only be allowed in extreme circumstances, such as rape, or if the mother's life is in danger. And besides all that, if it cannot live on its own, is it truly alive? Another question for you to debate, but this isn't about abortion.
Every life has value, and we can rehabilitate a person and have them become a productive member of society, then that's good. Unless he raped or killed the kid, I doubt he ruined their life, or did irrepairable psychological harm, or whatever. Yeah, it's pretty perverted, but in the big picture, does a person failing to control their impulses once, especially when it doesn't do irrepairable harm, warrant something much more serious, such as taking their life?
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
[quote="fleaflicker";p="90009"]Right now I think in a more logical fashion than an emotional one. And if a person can be rehabilitated and become a productive member of society rather than wasting away, I think they should have every chance to do so unless they killed a whole bunch of people or something. Yeah, yeah, perhaps from a parent's perspective it wouldn't be as good as killing every single child molester, regardless or their race, gender, background, religion, etc., but it is certainly better than the system in place today. With police watching their every single move more or less, how are they going to be able to do much of anything to harm a child? I mean, they know that the moment they did, they would be in the slammer for life, or perhaps death.
Besides, the way you talk, I'm sure you'd like to be the person who pulls the switch at every execution, and thinks that we should do away with lethal injection because it's not cruel enough. I think that every life has some value, and unless that person is beyond saving, we should give them the chance to succeed.
And don't even try that abortion bull with me. I am not in favor of it as a form of birth control, and think it should only be allowed in extreme circumstances, such as rape, or if the mother's life is in danger. And besides all that, if it cannot live on its own, is it truly alive? Another question for you to debate, but this isn't about abortion.
Every life has value, and we can rehabilitate a person and have them become a productive member of society, then that's good. Unless he raped or killed the kid, I doubt he ruined their life, or did irrepairable psychological harm, or whatever. Yeah, it's pretty perverted, but in the big picture, does a person failing to control their impulses once, especially when it doesn't do irrepairable harm, warrant something much more serious, such as taking their life?[/quote]
Can a 6 month old baby live on it's own? Of course it can't. According to your logic then, that child isn't alive.
Hey, if you can determine from my posts that I would get enjoyment being the executioner, then you open the door for a reply like that. Once again, I'm made out to be the bad guy for wanting just punishment for the crime.
And to answer your question - yes, an adult failing to control their impulses once, when involving a CHILD, warrants very serious punishment. That doesn't happen today. All too often, the person that did it once is going to do it again. How many innocent people have to suffer before liberals realize that? Oh that's right, in the liberal world, those perverts would be considered victims too and it really wouldn't be their fault.
Your utopia for child molesters being monitored every move they make just isn't feasible. It's another example of the liberal mentality of catering to those who don't deserve it, at the expense of every other law abiding citizen. It just won't work, and doesn't work, and more innocent children will be harmed because perverts are left back out on the streets.
Besides, the way you talk, I'm sure you'd like to be the person who pulls the switch at every execution, and thinks that we should do away with lethal injection because it's not cruel enough. I think that every life has some value, and unless that person is beyond saving, we should give them the chance to succeed.
And don't even try that abortion bull with me. I am not in favor of it as a form of birth control, and think it should only be allowed in extreme circumstances, such as rape, or if the mother's life is in danger. And besides all that, if it cannot live on its own, is it truly alive? Another question for you to debate, but this isn't about abortion.
Every life has value, and we can rehabilitate a person and have them become a productive member of society, then that's good. Unless he raped or killed the kid, I doubt he ruined their life, or did irrepairable psychological harm, or whatever. Yeah, it's pretty perverted, but in the big picture, does a person failing to control their impulses once, especially when it doesn't do irrepairable harm, warrant something much more serious, such as taking their life?[/quote]
Can a 6 month old baby live on it's own? Of course it can't. According to your logic then, that child isn't alive.
Hey, if you can determine from my posts that I would get enjoyment being the executioner, then you open the door for a reply like that. Once again, I'm made out to be the bad guy for wanting just punishment for the crime.
And to answer your question - yes, an adult failing to control their impulses once, when involving a CHILD, warrants very serious punishment. That doesn't happen today. All too often, the person that did it once is going to do it again. How many innocent people have to suffer before liberals realize that? Oh that's right, in the liberal world, those perverts would be considered victims too and it really wouldn't be their fault.
Your utopia for child molesters being monitored every move they make just isn't feasible. It's another example of the liberal mentality of catering to those who don't deserve it, at the expense of every other law abiding citizen. It just won't work, and doesn't work, and more innocent children will be harmed because perverts are left back out on the streets.
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fleaflicker
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
Yes, but by living on its own, I mean living outside of its mothers womb, not necessarily without the support of other people, though I did leave a gaping hole open there.
Child molesters aren't the only ones harming children. What if mommy and daddy have a bloody divorce that pits the kids against one another and scars them for life? Should we kill the parents? What if the child is bullied by their big brother and scarred for life? Then what? There are any number of things that could cause a child just as much harm as a molester.
Or here, how about this? If the father comes home drunk regularly and beats the child without being provoked, should he die for it?
Child molesters aren't the only ones harming children. What if mommy and daddy have a bloody divorce that pits the kids against one another and scars them for life? Should we kill the parents? What if the child is bullied by their big brother and scarred for life? Then what? There are any number of things that could cause a child just as much harm as a molester.
Or here, how about this? If the father comes home drunk regularly and beats the child without being provoked, should he die for it?
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
child molesters piss me off, i say anyone who does that needs the death sentence or put them in a cell with bubba and have him get the treatment!!!
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
When I was 6 months old I was chugging bottles of whiskey. By the time I was 1, I was eating the bottles it came it.
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
The alleged perp was convicted of sexual battery of an adult in 1995 and served 6 years in prison and two years probation. Real nice dude.
Onstott was convicted of sexual battery in 1995 for assaulting a female acquaintance in her home. He served six years in prison and two years on probation on that charge, a sheriff's spokesman said.
He was arrested Tuesday in Apollo Beach, Florida, north of Ruskin, on an unrelated charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after deputies said Onstott threatened a man with a screwdriver during an argument.
He was arraigned Thursday for failing to register as a sex offender and also was being held on a drunken-driving warrant from Michigan.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/flori ... index.html
Onstott was convicted of sexual battery in 1995 for assaulting a female acquaintance in her home. He served six years in prison and two years on probation on that charge, a sheriff's spokesman said.
He was arrested Tuesday in Apollo Beach, Florida, north of Ruskin, on an unrelated charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after deputies said Onstott threatened a man with a screwdriver during an argument.
He was arraigned Thursday for failing to register as a sex offender and also was being held on a drunken-driving warrant from Michigan.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/flori ... index.html
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I know this isn't a thread on abortion, but in the legal system to identify one human from another they use DNA and Fingerprints...are the finger prints and DNA the exact same in the embryo and the mother? NO, you cannot convince me that abortion is justifiable in anyway.
The tracking of the sexual offenders will never work. There is no way that an officer can be responsible for a sex offender once a day, let alone every waking moment. It's too idealistic!
As for the parents abusing the child...there are laws against that aren't there? They will be punished. Maybe they should be punished a little more than what they are also. But giving a sex offender a slap on the wrist and letting them back into public shouldn't be allowed. They need to be put away for a while...let the guys in prison deal with them and then we'll see if they do it again after at least 15-20 years.
The tracking of the sexual offenders will never work. There is no way that an officer can be responsible for a sex offender once a day, let alone every waking moment. It's too idealistic!
As for the parents abusing the child...there are laws against that aren't there? They will be punished. Maybe they should be punished a little more than what they are also. But giving a sex offender a slap on the wrist and letting them back into public shouldn't be allowed. They need to be put away for a while...let the guys in prison deal with them and then we'll see if they do it again after at least 15-20 years.
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well i think abortion is justifiable in a way that if they get raped then it wasn't planned!!! if you were a girl you wouldn't want to have some guys kid like that it's another mouth to feed!!!
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Re: Lock 'em up - throw away the key
[quote="Lemmy";p="90049"]The alleged perp was convicted of sexual battery of an adult in 1995 and served 6 years in prison and two years probation. Real nice dude.
Onstott was convicted of sexual battery in 1995 for assaulting a female acquaintance in her home. He served six years in prison and two years on probation on that charge, a sheriff's spokesman said.
He was arrested Tuesday in Apollo Beach, Florida, north of Ruskin, on an unrelated charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after deputies said Onstott threatened a man with a screwdriver during an argument.
He was arraigned Thursday for failing to register as a sex offender and also was being held on a drunken-driving warrant from Michigan.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/flori ... index.html[/quote]
You are correct. When I heard about that poor girl I trully was too upset to read much about it right away. I made an assumption that he was a previous child molester.
In any case, that probabtion for this sex offender worked out real well, now didn't it?
But, that does not take away from the overall discussion. Too often you read about repeat sex offenders. Something isn't working here, and maybe we need another approach. How many times does someone get to do something like this before enough is enough? I say once.
Keep in mind that I don't believe all criminals should rot away in jail. Someone may steal money to help support their family. While still wrong, and a debt should be paid, one could understand it. Someone could become addicted to drugs. Pay your debt, clean yourself up, and work back into society. But sex offenders commit their crimes because of a selfish perversion, that trully harms an innocent person in a big way. Lock 'em up - throw away the key.
Onstott was convicted of sexual battery in 1995 for assaulting a female acquaintance in her home. He served six years in prison and two years on probation on that charge, a sheriff's spokesman said.
He was arrested Tuesday in Apollo Beach, Florida, north of Ruskin, on an unrelated charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after deputies said Onstott threatened a man with a screwdriver during an argument.
He was arraigned Thursday for failing to register as a sex offender and also was being held on a drunken-driving warrant from Michigan.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/18/flori ... index.html[/quote]
You are correct. When I heard about that poor girl I trully was too upset to read much about it right away. I made an assumption that he was a previous child molester.
In any case, that probabtion for this sex offender worked out real well, now didn't it?
But, that does not take away from the overall discussion. Too often you read about repeat sex offenders. Something isn't working here, and maybe we need another approach. How many times does someone get to do something like this before enough is enough? I say once.
Keep in mind that I don't believe all criminals should rot away in jail. Someone may steal money to help support their family. While still wrong, and a debt should be paid, one could understand it. Someone could become addicted to drugs. Pay your debt, clean yourself up, and work back into society. But sex offenders commit their crimes because of a selfish perversion, that trully harms an innocent person in a big way. Lock 'em up - throw away the key.
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Our prison system is overcrowded and our probation system is overworked. Way too many perps slip through the cracks. I think we need to find alternative ways to punish vicitimless crimes.
Onstoot hurt someone in 1995. This person was both hurt physically and mentally. I wonder what they thought when Onstott was released from prison. I wonder what they think knowing what Onstott alledgely has done.
I think Onstoot is going to face the death penalty. It is justifiable in this case.
When the strong hurt the weak, it is bad. I really have a problem with someone abusing children. I also have a problem with the crimes of sexual abuse.
Onstoot hurt someone in 1995. This person was both hurt physically and mentally. I wonder what they thought when Onstott was released from prison. I wonder what they think knowing what Onstott alledgely has done.
I think Onstoot is going to face the death penalty. It is justifiable in this case.
When the strong hurt the weak, it is bad. I really have a problem with someone abusing children. I also have a problem with the crimes of sexual abuse.
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