Presidential debate Round 1

[southpaw]

Wildcat is just like village idiot on Friday night that yell cheap shots to refs and coaches from the back row.

1. Saddam had WMD's and ties to Al Qaeda. Its a fact!

2. The "I just voted to authorize the war" crap and that's what it is. Is just semantic BS typical of libs. Harken back to Clinton "What does 'is' mean" or "What is the definition of intercourse". KERRY VOTED TO GO TO WAR AND SUPPORT THE TROOPS HE NOW HAS FLIPPED BACK AND FORTH ON THAT 50 TIMES SINCE THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY!
HE NOW DOESN'T SUPPORT THE WAR AND DOES NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS. WE OUGHT TO START CALLING HIM GEORGE MCGOVERN BECAUSE THAT'S WHO HE'S BECOME!

[LionPride]

The statement is very true wildcat. You're just in denial. Kerry echoed all the things Bush said leading up to the war, and you know it. He said things like "If you don't believe Saddam is a threat, don't vote for me"; "Iraq's WMD pose a grave and serious threat to the US". I liked Kerry's answer on the one show he did when asked if going into Iraq was the right decision. His answer - depends on the outcome. WHAT? That's like trying to make a bet with a bookie after the games been played.

And now the Sudan crisis is Bush's fault? :roll: And you all voted for Clinton again after he cut and run in Somalia. He left the war lords run the show there when he left, and thousands of people lost their lives. That was ok though in your eyes, even though the place is still a hornet's nest. You didn't complain to Clinton while Milosovic was slaughtering the Muslim's in Bosnia. Only when it became politically necessary did Clinton go in there, after tens of thousands were killed. But that was all ok, because he was a Democrat.

You people are unreal sometimes (now foghorn will come in here and say I'm getting touchy, I know).

[southpaw]

Almost forgot wildcat:

1. Clinton and the Useless Nations did nothing in Rawanda, millions died just like your are describing in Sudan.
2. Clinton and the Useless Nations pulled out of Somalia after 100 casuslties. Millions have died in starvation and murder since.
3. Clinton WITHOUT the Useless Nations approval went to war in Bosnia to kick out Milosovic and his "ethnic cleansing" regime. I don't think that Serbia was an immienent threat were they? Guess what 10 years later we still have troops there.

So before you put a couple of cheap shots on here about your preceived failings of our current President get a few facts straight. He's a heck of a lot tougher than the clown before him and the one he's running against now!

[southpaw]

Heck LP your reading my mind. Scary? We must have learned to think this way at Schellsburg Elementary!

[CoachK]

nothing left to say, you guys said it all. Bullseye!!!!

[CoachK]

But the only problem is that most people will vote based on their feelings and their emotions, not based on truths and facts and what's morally right. That is what worries me because those people will vote for the left, ie kerry.

[Former Wildcat]

Pay attention to what I say instead of just going off on some idiot tangent.

First, what I said is that it was not Kerry's job to make a case for war. Bush did that, Kerry supported it. Since then BOTH men have changed their tune, but in different ways. Both have flip-flopped.

Second, since when did I say I supported Clinton's foreign policy. I do not think Clinton did a good job with the situation in Somolia, and the world's (including Clinton's) ignorance of the Rwanda genocide was atrocious.

I do think both Bush and Clinton had successes and failures in foreign policy. However, I do not think Kerry's position on Iraq was important three years ago. Now that he is running for President he has changed his position, but so has Bush. What is the difference?

Finally, do not assume just because someone is not a die-hard Republican that they are a liberal Democrat. That is what I mean by people who support one party being either ignorant, closed-minded or stupid. You assumed that I was a Clinton fan just because I disagreed with your strong Conservative stance. This is not a football game, where you have to pick one side or the other. Both sides have strong and weak points. I think you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

[LionPride]

[quote="southpaw";p="63940"]Heck LP your reading my mind. Scary? We must have learned to think this way at Schellsburg Elementary![/quote]

Ha ha. I guess my PM to you was on the mark! I wonder where Mrs. McNamara would stand on these issues! What's funny is that 3 of the 4 teachers we had way back then have taught or are teaching my boys!

[LionPride]

[quote="Former Wildcat";p="63955"]Pay attention to what I say instead of just going off on some idiot tangent.

First, what I said is that it was not Kerry's job to make a case for war. Bush did that, Kerry supported it. Since then BOTH men have changed their tune, but in different ways. Both have flip-flopped.

Second, since when did I say I supported Clinton's foreign policy. I do not think Clinton did a good job with the situation in Somolia, and the world's (including Clinton's) ignorance of the Rwanda genocide was atrocious.

I do think both Bush and Clinton had successes and failures in foreign policy. However, I do not think Kerry's position on Iraq was important three years ago. Now that he is running for President he has changed his position, but so has Bush. What is the difference?

Finally, do not assume just because someone is not a die-hard Republican that they are a liberal Democrat. That is what I mean by people who support one party being either ignorant, closed-minded or stupid. You assumed that I was a Clinton fan just because I disagreed with your strong Conservative stance. This is not a football game, where you have to pick one side or the other. Both sides have strong and weak points. I think you have to pick the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

The basic premise of why we went to war is still there and Bush has stood firm. That premise was to remove an evil dictator that was a threat to our country. Bush has not wavered, Kerry has.

You can call me ignorant, closed-minded, stupid, whatever. But I didn't come to these views overnight. My views were shaped over the past 20 plus years since I was old to see the wisdom of Ronald Reagon and old enough to vote. I am a conservative and I'm darn proud of it. I have looked at all sides of issues during my voting years. I just happen to agree with the conservatives. I have voted for Democrats in the past, but it's been on a rare occasions (because they usually don't align with my views).

[once a runner]

Well said Wildcat.

I will echo your sentiments about Clinton. This message board did not exist in the 90's, so there is no way to know what any of else felt about that situation. Some people are jumping to conclusions here.

LP, where is the proof that Saddam was a threat to our country? All reports so far have shown no WMD's, no substantiated links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. We know there are Al Qaeda cells in Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc., but yet we knew of none when we went into Iraq. Al Qaeda attacked us, not Iraq.

Southpaw, wasn't it you that said it was mostly the liberals that do the name calling? It wasn't it you that called Wildcat "the village idiot". I respect your point of view, but you don't help yourself by resorting to name calling.