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Re: NCAA banning Native American mascots in post season

Posted: August 14th, 2005, 1:00 am
by El-Moldo
Type of chicken???? So they can peck you to death???? Thought a buckeye was a leaf.....Now, how many runaway slaves do you suppose helped the Seminoles? Half a dozen or so? There wasn't exactly a swinging door out there with slaves running to and fro. You make is sound like hundreds of black slaves helped these people. And what does that say about a people, when they need others to help them. Couldn't they do it themselves. That's nothing to brag about. And guerilla style fighting was pretty prevalent in America long before 1832. Didn't you see Last of the Mohicans. It was only the British who fought in that old European style, not Indians or American settlers and militia.

Posted: August 14th, 2005, 1:10 am
by flybynight
i opnly picked that segment because of it told of how they would fight, it had nothing to do with the slaves, did you read the rest at the site?

And the reason for the chicken? Chicken farming is a big buisness in Ohio, it comes from where they are at.

Posted: August 14th, 2005, 5:16 pm
by fleaflicker
I had to laugh at this, when somebody said that a buckeye is a type of chicken. Good lord, no. A buckeye is a type of nut, like oats. I'm sure you've heard of those....

Posted: August 14th, 2005, 5:52 pm
by flybynight
i guess it would of made more sense to look at the athletic website instead of just searching buckeye, but there is a chicken called a buckeye.


Buckeyes

Buckeye (Aesculus glabra)
A small, shiny, dark brown nut with a light tan patch that comes from the official state tree of Ohio, the buckeye tree.
According to folklore, the Buckeye resembles the eye of a deer and carrying one brings good luck. “Buckeyes” has been the official Ohio State nickname since 1950, but it had been in common use for many years before.

The first recorded use of the term Buckeye to refer to a resident of the area was in 1788, some 15 years before Ohio became a state. Col. Ebenezer Sproat, a 6’4" man of large girth and swashbuckling mannerisms, led the legal delegation at the first court session of the Northwest Territory in Marietta. The Indians in attendance greeted him with shouts of "Hetuck, Hetuck" (the Indian word for buckeye), it is said because they were impressed by his stature and manner. He proudly carried the Buckeye nickname for the rest of his life and it gradually spread to his companions and to other local settlers. By the 1830s, writers were commonly referring to locals as “Buckeyes.”



Buckeye Leaves
A round white decal, about the size of a quarter, with a green depiction of a buckeye leaf is applied to Ohio State football helmets for big plays and consistency on the field. This tradition started in 1968 when Woody Hayes and longtime trainer Ernie Biggs changed the look of the Ohio State uniforms. Many of the sports at Ohio State incorporate Buckeye Leaves into their equipment and uniforms.

Re: NCAA banning Native American mascots in post season

Posted: August 16th, 2005, 4:42 am
by The Ancient Enemy
Actually, there were a lot of runaway slaves that joined up with the indians in Florida. I dunno if it was exactly the Seminoles, but it happened nonetheless. Way more than a handful, that's for sure. I don't remember the name of the fort, but their settlement was named "Fort something" by the whites. It starts with an M. Anyone who finds it gets a gold star for the day and a Dork Award which consists of a b*tch slap and a mugging.

Re: NCAA banning Native American mascots in post season

Posted: August 16th, 2005, 7:27 pm
by HOLLYWOOD
I say let them have any mascot they want because many have great traditions with their mascots and to change it would just not be the same for some teams!

Posted: August 16th, 2005, 9:23 pm
by flybynight
was it Fort McRee or Fort Matanzas?

Posted: August 23rd, 2005, 9:45 pm
by flybynight
Seminole decision
NCAA will allow FSU to use Native American nickname
Posted: Tuesday August 23, 2005 4:43PM; Updated: Tuesday August 23, 2005 7:45PM


Chief Osceola and Florida State are off the NCAA's ban list because of their relationship with the Seminole Tribe of Florida.
Scott Halleran/Getty Images

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- The NCAA will allow Florida State to use its Seminoles nickname in postseason play, removing the school from a list of colleges with American Indian nicknames that were restricted by an NCAA decision earlier this month.

The NCAA said it was recognizing the relationship Florida State has long enjoyed with the Seminole Tribe of Florida, which assists the university with its pageantry and celebration of its culture and supports the school's use of its name.

"The staff review committee noted the unique relationship between the university and the Seminole Tribe of Florida as a significant factor," NCAA senior vice president Bernard Franklin said in a statement released Tuesday. "The decision of a namesake sovereign tribe, regarding when and how its name and imagery can be used, must be respected even when others may not agree."

Florida State president T.K. Wetherell had threatened to sue the NCAA immediately after its Aug. 5 announcement that the school's highly visible nickname, "Seminoles," was defined as "hostile and abusive" by a committee.

"The two things we requested in our appeal were granted," Wetherell said. "I'm ready to play football, start school and have classes begin and all that kind of stuff."

Lee Hinkle, vice president for university relations, said the school e-mailed 250,000 alumni and friends of the NCAA decision.

"I don't think anything has brought them together quite as much as this," said Wetherell. "Whether you're a Gator, Hurricane or Bulldog, those entities believe it's a Florida decision."

Gov. Jeb Bush also applauded the NCAA's reversal.

"When you make a mistake it's important to realize it and move on," Bush said. "They came to the right conclusion ... the Seminole mascot and the tradition at Florida State, is not offensive to anyone."

The NCAA said it would handle reviews from other schools on a case-by-case basis. The Illinois Fighting Illini, Utah Utes and North Dakota Fighting Sioux are among other prominent school nicknames that remain affected by the edict.

Utah athletic director Chris Hill said Tuesday that the school is expecting a similar ruling now that the university is moving ahead with its appeal to remove Utes from the list.

"We think we've done it the right way. If we're not doing it the right way, we'd like to know," Hill said.

Hill said Utah has been working on its appeal with the Ute tribe and it should be filed within a week or two.

"We want to do it as fast as possible, but we want to do everything thorough," Hill said. "We felt all along that we would get a favorable ruling."

Under the NCAA restrictions, teams with American Indian nicknames would not be able to display them on uniforms or have their mascots perform in postseason tournaments.

"The NCAA remains committed to ensuring an atmosphere of respect and sensitivity for all who participate in and attend our championships," Franklin said in the statement.

Wetherell said he has had some contact with the other schools.

"I think they [NCAA] understand, there will be other requests," Wetherell said.

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Chalk one up for FSU.

Re: NCAA banning Native American mascots in post season

Posted: August 24th, 2005, 1:10 am
by The Ancient Enemy
Just as long as those terrorist Nazi communists at IUP can't use their Bear logo and the name Indians I am happy!!!!

Re: NCAA banning Native American mascots in post season

Posted: August 24th, 2005, 12:26 pm
by TheAnalyst
What if WVU changed from the Mountaineers to the Interbreeding Whities? Would that offend any of you? Not should what kind of mascot they would have though.