Gunner's Political Platform

[ham55]

BOOOOYAH GUNNER!!!!

Ok, you think they knew about Hurricanes or could predict that they would happen when Nawlins was founded in the early 1700's? Then when we take over and come up with radar and all the neat stuff we have to day for detecting severe weather, just tell them 'ok, bad stuff can happen here, pack up, move 100 miles north, and find a place to live and a job to support your family, good luck, and God bless!' Come on man, it's impossible.

[Gunner18]

There you say it's quite ok to criticize HS athletes because it shows them what they are doing wrong. So why is it NOT ok to criticize the government?

the reason i contradict myself is because the government is providing a service and a way of life for you. what service does high school football provide other than a form of entertainment one night a week for 3 monhts a year?

allow me to clarify myself, criticism of the government is ok, we all do it, i do it. what im talking about, however, is the people that protest the government, burn our Flag, and blame the government for their way of life. take the people in Nawlins for example, some of them are almost at hostilities with the Bush administration because they didnt respond quick enough....well i wonder if they ever thought what it was like if they lived someplace else where the government would not have responded at all. i bet they wouldnt be complaining about Bush then!

if you want, you can think of the government as a business that you work for, now how many businesses would tolerate persons protesting the bosses, burning the business logo, and sometimes creating hostilities with in the business?

and ham, are you trying to say that back in the day, the gulf coast was NEVER hit by a hurricane or severe storm that caused major flooding and damage? i dont need radar and high tech computers to tell me that theres a big @$$ storm right on top of me blowing down trees and creating lake new orleans! my guess is that at least...AT LEAST...once a year in the fall, the settlers of nawlins experienced a horrific storm that destroyed or damaged most of the villages. so why didnt common sense kick in and say, "well gee, maybe we should move up stream a lil bit" you can still access the ocean from northern LA

[fleaflicker]

Hmm, so it's not ok to criticize the government when it could do a better job of responding to disasters, especially when their slow response time possibly cost hundreds of lives? So if my house catches on fire, and it takes the firemen a half hour to get there, and it's already toast then, then I guess I should be thankful that we have firemen at all, rather than criticizing them for arriving so late, when if they would have had a proper response time they would have saved my home. It's also not ok to criticize the government for taking so much of our money and wasting it I would suppose. For an example, I think one of the soft projects a congressman in Alaska has pushed through on a certain bill involves building a multi million dollar bridge to an Alaskan island populated by FIFTY people. Another waste is the waste of young soldiers lives in a war over oil that GW lied about the reasons for. And of course, we shouldn't criticize the government for spending 2 billion dollars a week on the war but failing to equip our troops with adequate body armor and armored vehicles. We should be thankful that our troops have any body armor at all, and any armored vehicles at all, rather than being ticked that a hummer got blown up by a landmine when one that had adequate armor would have survived.

I am sure Gunner, that you would feel the same way if you were in New Orleans and had lost relatives in that flood, if you were in that Hummer that should have (but didn't) survive an explosion, and you had lost both of your legs in the blast. After all, they did at least provide you with a Hummer, or a disaster response, even though it wasn't nearly enough.....

[TheAnalyst]

Definately ok to criticize. But it should be all levels of govt. That mayor and govenor leave a lot to be desired. The president offered the govenor help, but she flat out refused (prior to the hurricane). I would have expected the federal govt to be much better prepared than this. But the request for aid is supposed to come from local govt up and for whatever reason it was a slow process. I don't think everyone realized how bad the situation was for a couple of days (even some of the people in N.O.). And it doesn't help when the people you are trying to rescue are shooting at you. But the response was much too slow no matter who was at fault and people died as a result. It needs to be criticized and investigated to find out where it went wrong. This cannot happen in a terrorist attack.

On the other side. Take responsibility for yourself. Don't wait on the govt to come save you.

We would all agree that the govt wastes too much money.

Again with the lying. Just have to stick that in. Show concrete proof that he knew Iraq had no WMD's at the start of the war. Bet you can't find it.

Ill equipped soldiers should never happen. They should have the best equipment available. Period. Someone really dropped the ball on this one.

To back up gunners point. I have been to a country that had a massive flood several years before I got there. There is minimal response to such a disaster because the govt lacks the resources. There were 20-30 foot gulches in the middle of the road. You either drove through them or around them. Sometimes we forget how lucky we have it here until you see worse. In person. TV does not do justice.

Yes. You should be thankful to have firemen at all. Actually to even have a house to burn down to begin with. A govt that responds in any way. The right to say what you want. There are people the world over who have it much worse.

[Gunner18]

flea...

when their slow response time possibly cost hundreds of lives?

would you be reffering to the hundreds of lives that were ORDERED to evacuate the city but chose to disregard that order and stay behind? why should the governement be blamed for civilian stupidity?

and dont even try to argue that some of those people had no way to evacuate, i guaruantee you most, if not all of them were capable of walking and those not capable could have found a way, but instead of doing a little hard work for themselves theyd rather sit on their lazy butts and blame the government. maybe ill blame krispy kreme for the sudden weight gain i had a few months ago.

Another waste is the waste of young soldiers lives in a war over oil that GW lied about the reasons for.

where do people get this idea that we're over there for oil....tell me this, if we were there for oil, then why does it cost me 50$ to fill up my Stratus every week??? war for oil is the biggest load of s*** ive ever heard. and to say that us being over there is an even bigger waste. i refuse to start this argument back up flea, but i will say that 99.99999% of the troops over there WANT to be there and believe in the "mission" its the ignorant american society that doesnt understand it, so unless you know the facts and have seen first hand the results, id appreciate it if youd keep your rediculous, uneducated comments to yourself.

[fleaflicker]

Gunner, would 24 hours of walking getting you far enough away from the shore to avoid getting killed by Katrina, especially when one is out in the open along I-10, and Katrina was a hurricane 100 miles inland? Answer, very doubtful.

What facts are we talking about with the war? The one where Bush admits Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11? The one where we found no WMD? The one where the government helped bin Laden's family evacuate within a week of the terrorist attacks, no questions asked? Or is the fact that there are many dictatorships and countries where human rights are in worse condition than Iraq, but we don't even bat an eye or seem to care, yet we claim we're in Iraq to free them?

So tell me Gunner, how would you feel if your legs got blown off while you were inside an armored vehicle that was supposed to protect you from such things? How would you feel if the 7.62 Russian rounds the enemy had were penetrating the doors of the Hummer you're in, which is supposed to stop a .308 FMJ? I suppose you'd be thankful that they're even there, right?

[WALTER4]

and dont even try to argue that some of those people had no way to evacuate, i guaruantee you most, if not all of them were capable of walking and those not capable could have found a way, but instead of doing a little hard work for themselves theyd rather sit on their lazy butts and blame the government. maybe ill blame krispy kreme for the sudden weight gain i had a few months ago.




Thats like standing infront of a doorway in a crowded gym and the rent-a-cop walks up and asks you to move b/c you're blocking the fire exit.
Lets get one thing straight....if you are flamable and have legs...you are NEVER blocking the fire exit.

[TheAnalyst]

The problem is there was an evacuation plan, but no one followed it. Haven't you seen the rows of school buses sitting in water? They should have been full of people and out of town. The mayor said it was mandatory (which usually means mandatory), but left people stay behind. If you choose to stay behind, then help gets there when it gets there. Walking out is not really an option. Wouldn't make it very far in a day or two.

Didn't they have a mock evacuation about a year ago that went terrible? But they didn't bother to fix the problem. I think everyone was willing to hedge that it would never get this bad and they were wrong.

As far as the war, I can only see two reasons for being there. Either the govt thought that Iraq had WMD's and was a threat to this country, or GW had a personal vendetta with Saddam. I can live with the first, even if in the end it turns out not to be the case. Don't want to believe the second. Can't imagine anyone capable of that, but I'm sure all of the Bush haters believe it. We are not there for oil or to save the people of Iraq.

FF, apparently Gunner is willing to accept those consequences should it come to that. Believe it or not, there are people who put country above self believing in the greater good. Some people are not willing to sacrifice their life, but others are. Thank goodness (and Gunner).

[Pale Rider]

I said this before. When the Frenchies decided they wanted to build a city there, the local Indian tribesmen said, White man, You crazy! They knew the history of the region and the storms that occasionally hit there. Now- there is a seaport, about an hour north of N.O., it's called Baton Rouge. Ocean-going vessels go there. Its elevation is all of 60 feet ABOVE sealevel, but it is ABOVE!

[Gunner18]

flea, last time i checked, people in the gulf had more than 24 hours notice that the 'cane was comin, and whos to say they had to walk? im sure they had some sort of transportation avalable to them, only the poorest of the poor would have to walk, and you can make it quite a ways in 48-72 hours. dont even start about some old fart that cant walk...the human mind and body become very strong when survival is at stake. if you had to walk 100 miles to survive, would you do it flea?



and just what do you mean how would i feel if i got blown in half cuz of lack of armoring? i dont know how id feel, but i do know that im not about to protest outside of W's ranch because i dont have sufficient armor, id do what every Marine, Soldier, Sailor, or Airman would do, id make do with what i had, because we understand that the government has obligations to its citizens that prevent it from fulfilling the needs of the military. somepeople arent selfish and realize that there are needs of others that are more important than their own needs. maybe you should try it sometime flea.