Penguins Offseason

[konjo78]

Crosby is getting 12 million a year.. Kunitz 3.7 million..... Just because Crosby had more points doenst mean he overachieved someone. Kunitz played well for the amount Pittsburgh pays him, Crosby did not!

[Aoki11]

That's a pathetic argument. And one that is so predictable from you. Nobody gives a **** about money whenever you are making millions of it. What's the difference between 12 million and 3.7? A car that goes 200 mph? Another 16 rooms added onto their house? A bunch of unecessary BS that's all. Your money argument has nothing to do with play.

Kevin Hart puts it perfect: millions is millions.

You want to know how many years I can live on 1 million dollars with 3 kids and a wife? Probably 3 decades, maybe more. Money is not an argument.

Since when is not scoring points outplaying? Weren't you the one who argued that Malkin always outplayed Crosby in the playoffs because he scores more? Which was proved wrong anyway. Absolutely Crosby "overachieved" Chris Kunitz and the fact that you say any different makes you high.

Another instance where you go back on your word just to back your argument.

[crfball]

I don't like the "I'll be here for 2 or 3 years"...So is he just a mentor for Botterill, Guerin, or Fitzgerald?

[HockeyGenie]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nh ... /10073879/
If you can read this article as a pens fan and not be nervous about it then I applaud you. Should have just given the job to Botteril

[konjo78]

That's a pathetic argument. And one that is so predictable from you. Nobody gives a **** about money whenever you are making millions of it. What's the difference between 12 million and 3.7? A car that goes 200 mph? Another 16 rooms added onto their house? A bunch of unecessary BS that's all. Your money argument has nothing to do with play.

Kevin Hart puts it perfect: millions is millions.

You want to know how many years I can live on 1 million dollars with 3 kids and a wife? Probably 3 decades, maybe more. Money is not an argument.

Since when is not scoring points outplaying? Weren't you the one who argued that Malkin always outplayed Crosby in the playoffs because he scores more? Which was proved wrong anyway. Absolutely Crosby "overachieved" Chris Kunitz and the fact that you say any different makes you high.

Another instance where you go back on your word just to back your argument.

Wait so a person who is paid 4x more than someone doesn't have higher expectations? Also Crosby is the captain.... Don't give me crap they should have same expectations!

[HockeyGenie]

Being a Captain has nothing to do with your skill, it is a small factor compared to the other stuff. I was the captain of my travel team this year and I only scored 2 goals in 25 games. Dustin Brown is the capatain of LA he barely cracked 40 in 82. On the flip side, that guy who you seem to rave about everyday on here patrick Kane, does not wear a "C" or an "A" on his jersey.

A players monetary value is strictly a judge in how much a team wants them there for their purpose. It could also be a judge for how much they holdout. Do me a favor and look up Alexander Semin, look at how much he's paid, and then tell me your "expectations" of him.

[KirkHerbstreit]

In my opinion, Jussi Jokinen is a product of playing on a line with Malkin. He is replaceable and do not forget he was waived in Carolina, who was not a good team, by Jim Rutherford and not taken. The Pens then traded for him for basically nothing. I'd be fine with him being gone. He played well in the playoffs. I prefer more grit, though.

I'd take my chances with any goalie other than Fleury. I have seen way too may fluky goals. I don't think the trust factor with the players is there with him. What is said by the players to the media and the looks on the ice after some of these goals are 2 different things. Fleury is a great guy and teammate. he gets a pass sometimes because of it.

A trade I offer Winnipeg is something like Neal, Letang for Ladd, Evander kane +. It frees some salary and adds speed and grit.

[HockeyGenie]

A trade I offer Winnipeg is something like Neal, Letang for Ladd, Evander kane +. It frees some salary and adds speed and grit.

Love this proposal. Andrew Ladd is a beast. Kane is injury probe but when he is healthy, he is a force.

[Aoki11]

Once again, well said Jake

[konjo78]

Being a Captain has nothing to do with your skill, it is a small factor compared to the other stuff. I was the captain of my travel team this year and I only scored 2 goals in 25 games. Dustin Brown is the capatain of LA he barely cracked 40 in 82. On the flip side, that guy who you seem to rave about everyday on here patrick Kane, does not wear a "C" or an "A" on his jersey.

A players monetary value is strictly a judge in how much a team wants them there for their purpose. It could also be a judge for how much they holdout. Do me a favor and look up Alexander Semin, look at how much he's paid, and then tell me your "expectations" of him.

You are just proving my point with your captain statement. Crosby failed as a captain to his team, he did not lead properly and instead was the main cause of the Pens becoming a dysfunctional locker room. Semin getting paid that much was expecting him to put up the numbers he was having in Washington. As for crosby having the "Same" expectations as Kunitz its just a huge cop out in not blaming Crosby for what was his failure. As a captain, As a scorer, as a defender. He is considered the be the best player in the world but could only put up 1 goal and 9 points but was also a -4. He had only 1 point in the 3 straight loses to the rangers.



WANT A PERSON TO BLAME GO STRAIGHT TO THE FACE OF THE TEAM! Like Kirk posted earlier, Malkin was able to generate points with his wingers against the defensive line of the rangers where as crosby's line got outplayed by the #1 player! Stop saying Crosby wasn't the problem because he was, just like Giroux was the problem with the flyers post season lost to the rangers. If your top player isn't producing and also gives up goals on the ice they are the problem.