New Windber MEGA-sports Complex + a bit of irony

[El-Moldo]

Show me anywhere on here where I criticized Roberts? In fact, TWICE in my first post I wished him NOTHING but success in this venture. I'm just pointing out how hard it is to get any type of money (scholarships or cash) to play baseball after high school.

[say_oww]

You can believe what you want, but all D3 athletes get some kind of money. Just not in the form of athletic scholarships. And by the way, all D3 schools are private schools. Most D1 and D2 are public / state-owned universities. Its interesting that guys who have never been involved in the process think they knowitall. LOL

[El-Moldo]

http://www.collegesportsscholarships.co ... chools.htm
It IS rather funny what people think they know. According to the website above, 19% of all D-III schools ARE public schools. What do you think of that? AND D-III student-athletes are not given any athletic funding to play sports. However, they are allowed to accept financial aid thru grants, academic scholarships, and student loans like ALL OTHER STUDENTS. So there is nothing special about D-III athletes and student aid.

[say_oww]

From your website...
What makes division III so popular?
Most division III athletes choose their college based first on academics and secondly on athletics. Division III student-athletes have an even greater appreciation for earning their college education.

What will you expect if you attend an NCAA division 3 school?
Students who choose to compete and attend a division III university will understand the emphasis on academics compared to athletics. Most athletes at this level explain that they choose their college due to the prestigious academic facility versus the athletic fields. NCAA division III athletes are working on earning their degree and find it to be a bonus to be able to represent their school in a team sport.


LOL, I guess you believe everything you read, right? And most Juco athletes choose Juco because they prefer the prestigious Juco education to the Juco college fields, too! Not because they want to transfer anywhere, right? Kids who play sports at D3 do so because they weren't good enough to go to D1 or D2. Or because they were going to get a $1000 scholarship to play D2, and instead will get $25k in grants to play at D3.

MOST D3 are private schools. Football, basketball, and baseball players at these schools get a lot of grants and academic scholarships to pay their tuition. The coach will work with the admissions office to get kids in the door to play sports. My buddy's kid was a d-lineman and he went to a D3 football nobody but had 31k in grants with average grades out of a 42k tuition while he played football. When he elected not to play, he had to come up with almost all of it himself. If you are an average student, you will not have the psych coach making sure you get additional grants so that they have another psych major. The Comp Sci prof will not say hey, make sure to give knowitall and Moldo extra grants because they kick **** on bleachercoaches. The real question is - why the hell do you guys insist on arguing something that you don't have any experience with whatsoever and doesn't matter to you? Again, organizations like ERA and the scouting service I work for exist to help kids who want to continue their athletic careers. What is wrong with that?

[knowitall]

For what it's worth, I graduated from a D3 school.

What you described was likely a blatant NCAA violation.

[knowitall]

You really don't know **** about baseball, do you? I bet you go to the AAABA in August so you "know it all".

Let me be clear my attack is on you in response to this condescending BS statement you made.

Upper middle class parents wanting to pay someone to play catch with their kids so they don't have to is not my concern.

[say_oww]

Whatever you say bro. Attack me all you want, I don't claim to know everything despite having zero real world experience, and I don't repeatedly poo-poo anyone who wants to help kids get more out of life. But kudos on graduation. It doesn't mean you spent time behind the scenes with the admissions, financial aid, and athletic departments. Its not my fault there are numerous grants, endowments, scholarships, and other awards available at D3 schools. Last time I checked, playing a sport doesn't preclude a kid from qualifying for an academic scholarship, obtaining a need-based grant, or securing a student loan to pay the tuition.

[pas2326100]

Just to follow up a little with say oww... my son went to a D3 school as a pitcher a few years back. That particular school offered money from an academic standpoint with a minimum of $1500 to a maximum of $5000 . My son only qualified for the $1500 based on his schooling and SAT's but with part of his recruiting, the baseball coach was able to get him the full $5000 academic award. They have ways of helping if they need to.

[El-Moldo]

Yep, it's called "bending the truth". And so is it fair that the REAL academicians DON"T get the full $5000, but only say $4000 or $3500 while those who don't deserve the full academic amount get it? AND then did you guys pay the other $35,000/year for your son?

[knowitall]

There are many grants and scholarships available at Division III schools. They are available to all students.

I do note that of the three examples cited, all scholarships were allegedly awarded to football players. Even at the Division III level football is king. If a baseball player is eager to continue to play at the next level he is much better off devoting the bulk of his time to academics. His On Base Percentage as the number 7 hitter for Single A high ain't gonna get him an extra thin dime from a very low budget D3 or even D2 (the local program was coached for years by a full time police officer) program.

And yes, if you quit the football team and your scholarship or grant was revoked at a D3 school, you should file a claim with the NC2A.