Re: Common Sense

[kingdomofcrush07]

Looking at your essay there is not much talk of education? You want people to transfer to mccort not to enhance the the school or the football team, but simply to build their resume and create even more dissension. Does mccort admit all students who "apply"? I believe they have some type of interview process with the principal who now is in fact the football coach so that solves that hurdle. However, would all of these athletes even be prepared to compete academically with those that have had the privilege of a private education for 8 or 9 years? Many of these students have been groomed by their parents to attend high level schools such as Notre Dame, Saint Francis and Carnegie Mellon and take course loads ranging from 18-20 credit hours in disciplines such as Biology and Chemistry. When comparing that to the D-1 recruits hope to major in whatever will allow them to be eligible for football. At the same time many Prep schools have come under fire for forging students’ transcripts and just giving grades so that kids may slide through the clearing house. Will McCorts brand name education be sacrificed for this? Or will there be 2 types of students, those there to build the athletic programs and those who choose to attend the normal school.

Does this not create a recipe for disaster? Would you have all the kids "red shirt" without getting PIAA approval for an extra year in hopes of catching them up? I leave you with this if a 5 star recruit comes in and takes the RB or QB position next year far and square simply because he is better would this in fact be better for the team than having a player who has earned the captainship and right to be the leader such as Lowry or Shrey?

[El-Moldo]

Thanks for the info on Terchanik. Why wasn't that told before? Anyhow, while skimming the Shippensburg roster I came across former McCort player Chris Kawchak. I didn't realize he was from SOMERSET. How far away from BM is that??? Don't you just love that NO geographical border thing?

[El-Moldo]

Getting back to Terchanik for a minute. You're telling us that he had SIX concussions??? SIX???? Were most of these at McCort? And they still let him play several years in high school??? Who oversees this??He certainly didn't get 6 concussions during his freshman year at Shippensburg. WOW!!!!

[Athens/Cat]

Vad,
Please there's nothing worse in the world than a hypocrit...

1.) You write..."it provides an unfair advantage to the schools which have no boundries, not to mention the complete lack of loyalty for your real teammates and school."

Then you lose track of your whining and blurt out..."I never said it wasn't "fair" life isn't fair." ---good one buddy

2.) Then you forget to do your homework/background checks on User and say, "your parents had the funds to transfer you to McCort and you obviously did not have any loyalty to your home school district or teammates."

Sorry user, i know you can defend yourself but this couldnt go unnoticed...User, if you didn't know, went to the greatest catholic grade school ever in Our Mother of Sorrows. So my question, Vad, how did he TRANSFER to McCort when he went to OMOS? He had no loyalty to westmont kids(who you believe were his teammates) give it up man. you're weak.

But, speaking of loyalty to teammates....If a kid transfers to McCort from X school district...is this not the same as Dan Myers quiting on his teammates at FH?






BTW how many kids that start for BM are from public school district? One...Shane Rugg I believe. Rizzo and Sczur went from McCort to Richland...again it happens both ways here gentlemen. Dont give us your b/s that they transfer for better edu.

[Dfense wins games]

So your tellin me Richland recruited those two?? Probably had something with wanting a TON of playing time at richland over some p.t. at BM. Like said in a previous post, BM probably has 2+ full strings of players that could start elsewhere. BUT then again, NOT EVERYTHING revolves around football. I know all those guys that are 2nd and 3rd or 4th string may never see the field...they would rather go to BM and give up some p.t. and go to a school where a majority of their friends go and also become a more devout Christian (niether have been mentioned yet) which are two of the more important things when deciding where to go to HS. Some people on here make it to sound as though ALL of the kids on BMs roster are from some far off place and come to a locale point in BM to play football. Guess what? 7 players in the past 7 years(not counting this years bc i dont know some of the kids) have not been from one of the local Parishes! ALL were legit...two were not welcome at their are schools, two followed their older brothers, ones mother taught at BM, and one came to improve his life. BM would still have advanced as far in the playoffs the past 7 years as they normally would have. While their teams are simply supplimented with their talents. The fact is, BM has been pretty dominant the past several years because the kids that do go to BM believe in their coaches and themselves. They work 100% all year around. One example, 2004, BMs line(3/5 Jrs 2/5 first year starting Srs) dominated Jtown's who boasted a D1 recruit on the line and made him look like he couldnt even play D3. If schools want to get better, they dont have to cheat any system, they just have to work with what they have and improve. Talk to Somerset coaches and ask how many hours theyve spent traveling to Navy and WVU to impliment the Offense they have. Thats a program that isnt going anywhere but up. Read some books by Lou Holtz and he'll steer you in the right direction 8)

[Dfense wins games]

My previous post wasnt directed to Common Sense as much as to the previous posts.

Anyway, it seems like you main argument is to get the area talent, which you argue is under recruited, exposed. While I believe they have been just about right.

This is talking about Larod in open-space, not about the line at all. Larod was a phenomial player in high school, going against slow, pound-ya-in-the-mouth western PA football players: his speed was magnified. Watching him fly past oponents as if they were standing still was always a joy. If he was a on a WPIAL team, Im not so sure he would have been able to put on some of those moves. I think that a respectable Pitt team, in need of some solid (guaranteed) recruits was looking for players such as Larod from western pa. An offer to a 'local' kid that had a bright future, sure he's going to accept that offer. The problem is, incase anyone hasnt noticed, Pitt isnt all that great. Sure, they have some good players, and are one the rise. In 04 and 05 they had 2 4-start recruites, in 06 they had 7, 4star...in 07 they had 6, 4star (including freshmen standouts Bostick and McCoy) But most of their roster is filled with solid 3-star recuits.

Now, in my opinion rivals.com does a pretty accurate job in saying what kind of player they are comming out of high school. Sure, there are a lot of 3stars that make a name for themselves and several 4/5 stars that dissapear...but OVERALL i think its an excellent guide on the type of player. Now look at ALL of the players that have come out of our area and how many are one a Top 25 team or vying for a national championship? NONE! Why? Because, although we like to have an inflated view of our area and be proud of our kids, we put them on a pedistal.

There are two ways to evaluate measurement. Through normal referencing(NR) and criterion referencing(CR). NR compares one kid to another. The better kid gets the better 'grade' while the others get a worse grade going down the line- the idea of "Curving" students grades to reach a certain average. CR compares students to a preset criterion: such as the SATs. I think that everyone wants to 'grade' every football player and compare stats such as tds, and yards etc. But really, there is no way to compare two players unless they go head to head against the same competition. The average in the WPIAL could be miles ahead of that of the LHAC or MAC or what have you. This is where combines and camps such as Nikes and the differant college camps come into play, as you have alluded to. And your claim that these players "dominate" their individual camps, but there never seems to be a transfer onto the college gridion. Sure Larod set the school record against Syracuse, but id imagine McCoy could have possibly doubled it. I just argue that the local talent is recruited at its propper place and all of us of LHAC and D6 have nothing to be ashamed about!

However, dont get me wrong, I want to see our players get into the NFL and make a huge impact! But the fact is, our area is awesome when it comes to football. Im proud of all the area kids that get any type of recognition. You dont have to go on to be in the Pro Bowl or Hall of Fame. You idea would wreck this areas football and thats why I am against it along with everyone else. The only good I could see comming forth would be scholarships to those kids who arent fortunate enough to afford college but there are ways around that. Overall, I think I grasp your idea, but wrecking what we have now (the most surprising thing is that a suggestion like this has come after arguably the most exciting football season ever!) would seem illogical.

[kingdomofcrush07]

dat cat from athens where do you stand on this essay? If your are indeed an Athens Cat can you talk about some of the Ohion schools and how mccort could have the potential to become a St. Eds? Additionally I have a question about catholic education lets say I attend the greatest grade school in the world, and decide that I do not want to spend 20,000 on a high school education and opt to go to a school were there may be some non catholics such as a public institution would this make me a trader or a recruit to a public school. Or could it be that I have maximized my catholic education and feel that I will still be able to live a christian life at another school. I am guessing you know the Szcur and Rizzo kids were they recruiting or kicked out of mccort? Also why did Pete O'connor quit on his teammates? and who is Dan Myers and when did he quit at FH?

[Athens/Cat]

"it is only logical to assume that the lack of recruitment is due to the high-dispersion of talent and a lack of state-wide exposure. Hence, the logical answer to this problem would be to create a high-concentration of talent that could dominate on a state-wide level. While I have no intention of arguing issues of education, religion, or past/present athletics, I wish to make my intentions perfectly clear: it is my hope that Johnstown could return to the football-greatness of the past."

----I am all about this...dat's where I stand. If you guys would take the time to understand where he comes from. We have talent here, we want to expose our areas best athletes to recruiters by becomeing a dominant force on the statelevel IE Hoover Bucs on national level, he and many of us think MC is the place for that to happen. Whatever, take it or leave it.

That's Common Sense

Now, to your questions kingdom...Ohio has huge problems with, dare I say it...recruiting...in both THE CATHOLIC AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS (Go Tigers DVD 2000). Some of my best friends from Ohio reside from large schools...St. Eds, Dublin Coffman, Worthington Killborn. As said before they have huge probs. with recruiting Wash. Massillon player (pub school) had a case taken the whole way to Ohio state court b/c he transferred to diff pub school. Dublin Coffman..#2 in Ohio gets new players in by the boatload. Then obviously you have the same thnng with St Eds, St Ignatius, St X. MY QUESTION PEOPLE...why do you target catholic schools for this...WHY DO YOU TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE PUBLIC ONES...If you think one is wrong then they both are.


The same thing happens in pittsburgh...Gateway's top 2 players were from other pub. school districts. Terrell Pryor went to school until 8th grade in the west Mifflin School District.

You guys can keep whining about the cath schools but it happens in your own backyards. My advice to you is to go on WPIALS forum...PAsportsboard.net and see what these guys have to say. I think its pretty admirable to see that these guys really don't care b/c they know it happens everywhere. They just like to see the kids play at their best. Both cath and pub. guys for the most part.


And in comparing McCort to St.Eds...Obviously you won't find the amount of talent in west-central PA that you are going to find in West side Cleveland. So overall, team speed and size it won't be comparable to Eds. It's a numbers game there. But, McCort is clearly becoming a dominant team in the area which is comparable to St eds in the fact that Eds is usually near the top in the cleveland/state level in OH.


Hope this helps. Just look at it from different perspectives. See that both pub. and cath. schools everywhere get different kids. Live with it...

[50yardline]

I have followed this site for years and for the most part like what I read about our local players written by our local past players. I myself was a past player (30 years ago) and remember being taught to respect anyone who laced up a set of spikes and the school they played for. It seems as though some of you past players on this thread haven't enough "common sense" to refrain from demeaning comments about todays players and the schools they represent. It is very easy to see why you loose games to certain schools with the attitude you have towards these schools. Insted of looking to find a way to win you have your team beat before they step out of the locker room, I hope you didn't have this attitude when you wore your school colors. Some of the rantings of certain individuals who tell parents where to send their kids to school and that these parents should be ashamed of what the did hold no merit and don't even deserve a reply. Sports are conditioning for life the same as education, I feel that all of our area schools do a great job of promoting both. Remember that your under classmen are reading these threads and put yourself in their shoes. It would be wise to think that any team can be beaten on any givin day by respecting them while out working them....

[vman]

Speaking of common sense!