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I have to ask this. What defense has deliverance seen this year in the whole Big XII? Cause I sure haven't seen any.

Brewster is a good coach. His son plays for Texas. They think he might transfer to Minnesota next year since he's not seeing the field much at UT. Ham, you are right I have only seen around 20 Big 10 games and the majority have been pretty bad. Of course, either PSU was blowing a team out or Ohio State was looking bad, but winning. Then again, I saw Juice Williams play a few times like he was on the Juice. I caught around 4 Michigan games. Pathetic. The Ohio State vs. Minnesota game was pretty bad, so that's why I don't give Minnesota a lot of credit. They had their doors blown off for the first 3 quarters and the same goes for Michigan State against Ohio State. I am not saying Ohio State is a bad team, either. They definitely have a decent team, but I have seen them blow the doors off #3 and #5 in the Big 10 and that shouldn't happen, especially when Ohio State got pounded by USC. That would be why not too many people across the country is giving the Big 10 love. One final point. PSU has beaten 2 teams that have been ranked #9 and #22. The same amount as Arkansas who beat the #18 and #20 in the country. Just some food for thought.

So when Missouri got it's tail handed to it by Texas earlier in the year that was probably just a great game played by a great team, right? And Missouri is as good as advertised, Texas is just that much better. I love how teams you throw under the bus in the Big 10 have teams with equal results vs. equal opponents in the Big12. Missouri was outclassed for 3 quarters, yet you still tout them as a top team in your conference. Yet, when the very same thing happens to Michigan State vs. a top 10 team, it's because it's "pathetic"

Yes. Beating a 4-5 Auburn team on the road is the same as going into the 'Shoe and knocking off STILL 11th ranked Ohio State. Who is 7-2. NOT 4-5. What was the last week Auburn was ranked? That one?

I said Missouri was good and not great. They are 5th in the Big 12. That's not as good as advertised, but they would be the #5 team in any other conference. Michigan State is the third best team in your conference and they got pounded by the second best team in your conference. Different story. The Big 12 is playing great games with their top ranked opponents and the people and computers love it. The only people that don't are those in the PSU country. It's understandable. I do feel for you, guys. However, you know you will be in the National Championship, so I don't see why you guys are so upset about it.

Ok so we agree that Missouri is the 5th best team in the Big 12, right. Well, the 5th best team in the Big 12 barely beat the 6th best team in the Big Ten in a shootout. Anyone who watched that game knows that the game could have went either way. IMO, Minnesota and Northwestern would beat Kansas. Michigan State and Oklahoma State would be a good game. Ohio State and Penn State could beat Texas and Oklahoma. I would not even go as far as to say that Iowa could beat most of the teams in the Big 12. Remember, Iowa allowed 5 points against Iowa State who scored 33 on Kansas, 17 on Oklahoma State, and 35 on A&M. It is all perception, if the big 10 was percieved good Penn State would #1.

I stopped reading after you mentioned something about Ohio State and PSU beating Texas and Oklahoma.

Why, because they could beat those teams.

Who is going to score the points for Ohio State? Aaron Pettrey? I don't think he can score enough points to beat Oklahoma or Texas. Don't forget that Texas beat Ohio State only a few years ago in the 'Shoe and that Ohio State team is 100 times better than this one.

Who the hell cares what happened 3-4 years ago. 4 years ago Penn State was the worst team in the country.

Wait, PSU isn't the worst team in the country?