Evolution, the Bible, and relative truth...

[El-Moldo]

count2infinity: You almost had a good argument there. Almost. But as usual, you are wrong. You say that because kids learn about Adam and Eve when they are real young, that they have pre-conceived notions about creationism. By that theory then, we should all be still believing in Santy Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the Boogeyman. I'm sure EVERY kid learns about them WAY BEFORE the hear about Adam and Eve. I'm talking about when kids reach the age of reasoning. You know, when THE VILLAGE starts to raise the child. Once they reach that age and are in the PUBLIC sector for their education, they NEVER, EVER hear of creationism again (unless at home or in church). They become a CAPTIVE audience to the preachings of evolution as fact and YOU cannot deny this. This continues thru junior high, high school and college. They are NEVER taught the counter-argument to evolution. Evolution is taught as fact and that's all there is to it. Even if you still believe in Adam and Eve at that age, do you DARE bring it up in the classroom? Do you DARE not give the evolutionists answers on a test, for fear of failing that test? NO YOU DON'T!!!!! You are being brainwashed in a captive environment, with NO alternative but to sit there and take it.

[count2infinity]

i was never taught evolution in junior high nor in high school, so i'm not sure where you're getting that from. I was taught evolution in college, and you're wrong this time. The professor gave those that did not feel comfortable being taught evolution and alternate study material and an alternate test. No one forced anyone here to learn evolution... and there were not many that took the alternate assignment as they most were curious about evolution and wanted to learn more. And by the way...nice argument comparing adam and eve to Santa Clause, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and the boogeyman... really helps your case that adam and eve were a true story.

[futbolfrk91]

i really hate to tell you this count... but your reasoning is circular and your comebacks are really stupid.... just because the truth stares you in the face, doesn't mean you have to belittle it....

[count2infinity]

how is my reasoning circular? and you want stupid comebacks look in the mirror. You continue to call it truth when it isn't... didn't you ever play telephone when you were little? oh wait, no... you didn't have child to child interaction cause you were home schooled. Here's how it works. The teacher organizes the kids in a circle. She gives the first kid a single sentence. A sentence maybe 7 or 8 words long... something like "The watermelon seeds should be spit out." That kid tells the next kid in line by whispering it in his ear. When it gets to the last kid the sentence turns out to be something like "The water fountain spit out." And this is only one sentence. What do you think and entire book of the bible went through by the time that it was actually put into print. Did Adam and Eve write the book of Genesis? no... if the story even is true, it got passed down and passed down and passed down until someone put it into text and you're gonna tell me each person didn't take their own liberties with the story? doubt it. It's a good story, but that's all it is...just a story. It's not truth so stop calling it that.

[El-Moldo]

count2infinity Are you saying then that in today's world it is STANDARD to teach both creationism AND evolution in the public educational system, both school and college? And what college did you attend where TWO different tests were given. And don't you think that if you were not taught evolution in junior high and high school that there was a reason??? Like maybe it didn't happen and NOBODY wanted to touch the subject? And my example of Adam and Eve and Santy Claus were perfect. Most readers would have gotten the purpose and meaning. You didn't. It had nothing to do with truth about Adam and Eve.

[CoachK]

futbol, and moldo, we need to just let these guys along! All this is doing is making them bitter. Probably creating a barrier to allow Christ in their lives. I am reminded about an important message in Paul's letter to Timothy, 2Tim. 2:22-26. Read it guys, but it just basically says for all who teach God's Truth, the (Bible), that we are to be kind and gentle, patiently and courteously explaining the truth. it says good teaching never promotes quarrels or foolish arguments. We are to listen to their questions and treat them respectfully, and avoid foolish debates! And hope "that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive to do his will." If you read on into chapter 3 it talks about some interesting times. Read and see if these times sound familiar! Just let God's Word have it's perfect work. The Bible says that, "in the end they will not endure (or listen to) sound doctrine. Just pray for them!

[futbolfrk91]

gee wiz coach... you're the perfect example of holiness.... ok Paul.....

count.... your reasoning is circular because... you say that we can't know anything... (no absolute truth)... so you can't say that as a fact. therefore, you don't know what you are saying because you can't know anything.... (no absolutes).... if you say that we can't know anything about the Bible, you are saying that you know that we can't know.... which you can't possibly know, because we can't know anything. get the picture?

[count2infinity]

it's not standard to teach either one of them moldy because the schools have to satisfy everyone and they have to keep the bible out of the government (schools) and apparently the high school i went to didn't want to teach evolution either probably because of the location of the school (in one of the conservative counties in the state). If you go to a private school...now that's a different story.. they all know creationism. I went/still go to Duquesne University. The professor was very understanding of the fact that it's controversial and that people have their own beliefs. And to be completely honest...CoachK is right... you and freaky are doing nothing but making me thing that the bible is a load of crap even more than i already do.

[El-Moldo]

Isn't Duquesne a catholic school? How can you compare it to a public or state school? I'm sure that Villanova, Notre Dame, St. Francis are in the same boat. They have an obligation of some degree to speak of creationism. By the way, I thought you said that catholics DO NOT believe in the literal translation of Genesis and other parts of the Bible. Again, who decides which ones are true?

[count2infinity]

when did i say that catholics do not believe in the literal translation? I believe i did say that Pope John Paul II acknowledged that evolution very well may be real.