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Pats - First off, I am not a coach. I actually cover games as a freelancer each week for one of the local papers. So basically, its my job to be a neutral observer. However, with that being said, I do sympathize with all coaches in the area, and frequently defend them here and other places when they are criticized by parents and fans. That's because typically, what it all boils down to is a parent thinks his kid should be doing better, or playing more, etc. It is a big problem at all schools nowadays, and I've noticed it at Richland (and Westmont) in particular because the number of professionals in the community has created the "I am an expert at everything" syndrome. I should know because we receive the same kinds of complaints when it comes to putting a newspaper together.

Its easy for a parent such as yourself to say the coaching staff "settles for mediocrity". That is an indefensible position because your intention is to bash the coach, not improve the performance on the field. You can't change things, so you lash out. I see this every week. You go to the game and when things don't go your way, its time to blame everyone but the kids. The refs, the coaches, even the paper for not giving you any respect. We could sit here and argue this until the cows come home, but the reality is what I posted previously - the teams and the players are what they are. 99% of the coaches in this and every high school put everything they have into coaching. Some coaches might be better or more knowledgeable than other coaches, but that is the same as every other profession including doctors, lawyers, salesman, teachers, writers, scientists, weatherman, etc. For me, the bottom line is that a head coach instructs his team everyday and knows his players better than anyone else - even the parents. A head coach is able to see flaws that parents can't because he looks at each kid with an unbiased opinion. He doesn't know what they did in pee wee football. He looks at them in the present.

My advice is this - from now on, make sure you check the weekly picks in the paper, or on this site for that matter, and see how many people pick the same teams to win. It is usually pretty obvious who is going to win, and 90% of the time the team everybody picks to win usually does because they have better players. Plain and simple. Now, go back, and check how many people picked Richland so far this year. Not many did, and gee, it turns out they were right. Regardless of your excuse, pretty much everybody except you (and a few parents) knew they were going to lose three of their first four games. Those who didn't pick Richland weren't settling for mediocrity, they were just being realistic.

On the flipside, you never know, Richland could win out. But just watch what you say in the meantime, because if they do win out, you'll be forced to give the coaches credit rather than giving credit to the kids. After all, if you are going to blame them the coaches when they lose, then you gotta give them the credit when they win.

Hasbeen - you don't make any sense. If your players aren't big enough to be receivers, then how do you put them in a power running game??? It all goes back to the fact that yes they try hard, but they just aren't as good as the players that left. Time to give some credit to the other teams.
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Cool, maybe your not, but I am not a parent. I have no feeling towards anyone playing more or playing less. I simply want to see my former school get the most out of what they got.

Its not about the wins, again its about getting the most out of your team. AND THEY DONT. Year after year. Sure 99% of coaches you think may "work hard" but it doesnt mean they are doing whats best. Work smarter not harder. Heck, not even sure the head coach or assistants even have time to spend countless hours with players or on film, have you ever tried doing that and working 7-4 or 7-5 as a principal? On top of that, some of them dont even build any type of relationship with any of the player. Please inform me of any past players that truly enjoyed playing under the current coach and think that he truly did his 100% best for the team, and the individual player, or even cared about individual players. A coach is meant to be a leader and mentor, atleast in my book.

Your right, when your out gunned, your out gunned. Its not about that. Its about getting the most out of your people and putting them in position to succeed. I would venture some people did pick Richland over BC first game of year, but didnt count on richland passing 31 times. After stuff like that, it makes it easy to pick against richland, heck pick against richland ANY big game, these coaches, minus a poor huntiginton team, a special game at BM, and a JTOWN victory, they havent won any games against quality teams, period. They sure do win big against bad teams though, congrats.

I will give all the credit in the world when I see the coaches atleast TRY to evolve as a team and a program. Ive said it every time, I hope the coaches do prove me wrong and get it done.

what does having tall reciever have anything to do with having a power running game? It doesnt. They dont need to run a power running game, but pleaes tell me why a thought process and better running scheme wasnt put in this off season? Is it that hard to tell you dont have a MP or GR anymore, instead a bigger line and top notch RBs???You really havent said one thing football related, besides the old "we dont have enough talent cant win sorry"
Talent is there and has been there, simply not utilized or developed to the fullest.
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You can say the same about every school in the country. My point is that this is the first bump in the road they have hit since he took over as coach. but to see Richland throw 31 times isn't surprising. They did that every game the last five years. You can say all you want about schemes, etc. But again the problem isn't offense, its defense. Against teams like Forest Hills and Johnstown, the defense just couldn't stop them. Are you going to blame Bailey that the kids get knocked on their butts all of the time and teams run right over them??? Any neutral observer can see that is what happens when a bigger team imposes its will. What can the coach do about it - nothing. It has to be blamed on the players.

Since you aren't a parent then you must be a former player who doesn't like the staff. Again, the more you rant, it just sounds like sour grapes and a lot of "I have all of the answers" mentality. Outside of Richland, everybody else sees a team that has gone from losing the bottom feeder games, to one that usually wins them. If thats not a turnaround, then what is?

The only point I am trying to make with all of these posts is that whenever Richland's players and fans can get over the blame game, then maybe they will turn that corner where they do win the big games. It hasn't happened yet. Show me how Richland has bought in to the team mentality, other than the glory of running on the field behind a Harley???? Instead of worrying about their opponents or their assignments, Richland has kids getting into fights over playing time instead of tackling the other team, players skipping practice because they don't get their own way, and creating websites that mock the head coach. Its the complete opposite. No matter what scheme they have they are never going to win big games when the mentality of the players and the parents who raise them is that they have all of the answers and if they don't get their own way they are going to act out. Who would want that job??? If there is one mistake they make at Richland its that they should be harder on their kids and kick them off of the team when they act out. Not kiss their butts when they whine.

The best teams don't always like their coaches. But they do listen and work together enough to make it work. Believe me, Richland isn't the only school where the coach is criticized after every play. I see it everywhere. But the good teams have the discipline to make it work. Just remember - hindsight is 20/20 and the coaches in the bleachers have never, ever lost or won a game.
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say_oww.............................EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yea, great insights owww....best, most logical/grounded stuff I've seen on here in awhile!
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Not true, many coaches do actually use their talents and have kids that admire their coaches and love the program. It is how tradition is built. There will always be a few bad apples who never buy in, it is up to the coaches to get the MAJORITY to buy in and turn the atmosphere around. As a good coach and leader, how is it that NO player, that ive ever heard, respected,admired, or even truly liked the coach, even the 3 year or 4 year starters, even the guys that broke records, NO ONE. How can this be as a coach and mentor? Surely he can't "screw over" everybody every year, there has to be more to it than that.

THE FIRST BUMP IN THE ROAD since he took over as coach?? IS THAT A JOKE? Do people not recall the 2, 3, and 4 year seasons that these coaches started out with? Or the season he had a team that started 3-0 and lost every single remaining LH game, including to a 0 win somerset team?

Sure, to see Geno Ramriez or Marco Pecora throw 31 times, no big shocker, alota good recievers...but to throw 31 times with a QB who NEVER played quarterback before, and another kid who clearly wasnt a good football player nor into it(later quit), and NO returning receivers, the best one being a freshman,seriously. Did it really not occur to him that "hmm we truly dont have ANY quarterback, maybe we should develop a run scheme"? But no instead the whole summer was spent not doing anything besides the status quo and no changes were made, as a result two loses vs the catholic academies, and two UGLY loses vs FH and jtown(not saying they could have won but was pathetic). Now they find themselves 2-4 scrambling to implement a respectable run first offense. please please please someone explain this some other way, perhaps the fans or bleacher coaches are missing something?

I agree, the defense has been a HUGE problem, year in and year out. Do I just blame Bailey, NO, but to sit here and say that its just impossible for Richland to have a good D, or the kids cant ever be tough, or whatever, year in and year out, is just flat out WRONG. Part of it is the players, they dont exactly have D1 linebackers or Dlineman. With that said, is it really possibly to be THAT bad every year? As I pointed out earlier, they have MORE size than Bishop McCort and Carrol this year. They have also had decent size in the past,and after all this IS the LHAC, its not like 275lb offensively lineman are the norm. Your telling me they have can NEVER develop 3-5 dlineman that can plug some holes and take on blocks? Year and and year out, they give up CAREER rushing days. A great example of this is two years ago versus westmont, average westy line and a hard runner, but no freak athlete, has a CAREER rushing yard game vs Richlands D, like 300 yards. Happens all the time, cant simply be the lame excuse "we dont have the material. NO player Development, none. And your also wrong it is not about the offense either. Offense is a HUGE part of having a stout and productive defense, and Richland's offense has truly been great at DESTROYING their own defense. Ball control and time of possession. Richland has had NONE of it the past few "great" seasons. This is demoralizing to their defense and keeps them on the field for long periods of time. Again, goes back to system and not having any run design or effective short pass scheme. Turnovers. Yes it is a spread throw it around offense, but those kill the defense too. Finally, scoring in the red zone. Richland continually continually has to have the WORST red zone scoring offense the past few seasons. Get to the red zone and it seems the play calling and productivity just drops 10 fold. Coaching and system. Final reason defense appears so bad is special teams. I have NEVER seen a team with so many field goals and extra points blocked, year in and year out. Punts are just as bad, where usually instead of having a solid consistent punter they just throw the QB back and hope for the best. Heck a current division one punter that formerly played for Richland didnt even punt, he just kicked. Missed the boat on that one I guess.

EXACTLY. Do you really think Richland as a whole should be content to "usually winning bottom feeder games"? Not with the talent they have had, and the talent the have coming up. They can truly make a great run IMO. Heck, this years senior class, I believe had a 5-2 or 5-3 record as in 9th grade, easy way to evaluate talent level. After that year, they got a transfer by the name of Cinko, one of the best players in the freshman league if not the best. Talent is NOT the problem.

The best thing i can say to summarize richlands philosophy, or lack there of, is "What do you call a person who keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" . It is EXACTLY what happens at richland. Rely on your QB, pitiful defense, no run game, no player improvements beat the bottom teams, lose any big game or when the talent level is close at all. I hope no one feels they really got the most out of players that theyv had, even the ones who have done really well stat wise. I do not expect any coach or person to be perfect. I do expect coaches to care about their players, and truly ADAPT and EVOLVE as a coach and as a program. I just am not seeing it.
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I appreciate your intensty. But I am pretty much done with this conversation. Look, you can bash Bailey (or any coach) all you want, and I get that because you just want Richland to win so bad. And you'll do and say whatever you can because you think it is actually going to make a difference. Best case scenario for you - they can Bailey as coach, and bring in Nick Saban. Then he beats Heights and Bedford each year and loses to FH, BM, CC, JHS, and BC because they can't stop the run. Now what???

At some point, you objectively need to look at Richland's situation, and thats what I have been trying to get across because I get tired of reading this kind of stuff. The replies to OG's post just put it over the top. (Really I'd rather debate recruiting, because at least its a two-way argument. :) )

When you look at this objectively, YOU CAN't WIN. There are many things you can't teach and can't coach. TOUGHNESS IS NUMERO UNO. If a coach has to bring it out of you, then you really aren't that tough. Good defensive players are mean and nasty, not fired up or coached to be tough! I am sorry but the schools that have tough kids are usually those where there parents are blue-collar workers and the kids get their butts whooped when they screw off and act out. Richland (just like Westmont, and nowadays to a degree Somerset) are schools where the parents are white collar and hire lawyers and sue the school when the kids get into trouble. When it comes to football, all this does is to perpetuate the cycle. Kids don't get their own way, parents sue the school, kids quit, punch their teammates, and then they go jump in their brand new car and go find something else to blow their money on. (Actually, its ironic because they don't ever punch their opponents.) That's just how it is, and I apologize if you don't like to hear it but thats what it is. The funny thing is, YOU are a former player and you are spending a lot of time arguing about how bad your coach stinks. I don't see any other school's kids doing that. Do you realize that each post you make supports my argument??? Kids from other schools aren't bashing online. No, they are too busy getting the crap kicked out of them by their parents because they missed a tackle. Again, until Richland has tough kids on the defense, they can score every possession and will still lose. Last year's McCort game was a great example. They had their best offensive group ever and still had 69 points dropped on them just on basic runs right up the middle. I was there and saw it with my own two eyes.

The bottom line is that Richland hasn't been able to stop the run for thirty years (maybe more because thats before my time) for the reasons I mentioned above. With Bailey, you have a guy who has completely turned it around and brought a ton of intangibles for example: a pee-wee program with kids who want to play for Richland, a new stadium, new facilities, two straight winning seasons including a playoff win, white-outs, black-outs, red-outs, etc. All you ever had before were blowouts. On offense, he recognized what would work and the results were pretty impressive. Again, that is what objective people see, and if you pitched those results to most people in the area, they'd take it.

There is not much more a coach can do. All Richland is really missing is tough kids - lineman and linebackers. Like I said before, they have some big kids, but when you are soft, you aren't going to win many one-on-one battles. Think about it. Have you personally ever taken criticism and tried to fix it or get better? Or is your first reaction to blame someone else and shift, transfer, or displace the blame? You are one kid, now multiply that by 45 kids each year and it is remarkable what Bailey has been able to accomplish in ten years with all of his "TALENT".
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please refute any of my actual football points i brought up instead of using the old coach excuse"we dont have the material" are you sure your not a richland coach? Again, atleast attempt to answer some of the points ive made or corrected u on

A) You really expect me to sit here and believe that richland "cant" have good defense because a lot of the parents have good jobs? Biggest form of BS i ever heard.
B) 31 pass attempts, a kid who NEVER played QB, with no recievers back, any sense??
C) Im not a highschool kid bashing my coach, nor would should any kid do that.
D) THE FIRST BUMP IN THE ROAD...really
E) Richland is taller and bigger than mccort or carrol(which earlier u stated the other way around)
F)Shouldnt it be the coaches job to foster a positive atmosphere and tradition?
G) What has richland done differently or adapted to the best 3-4 years. Basically its been do the same old things and just hope for a different result?
H) Special team problems, year after year, block FGs and not even using punters
I)Level of talent..5-2 freshman record, addition of best current senior player..where is the development and results?
J)Again, putting in way more work in the summer worrying about passing league and wide receivers rather than establishing a solid running system and working withe the line.
K) Why is it so hard to expect coaches to be leaders and mentors?
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By the way, I know I said I was done, but one really funny thing I forgot to address: To paraphrase - In 2009, they scored too fast and that is why they couldn't tackle Seidel. I actually never heard something so ridiculous. That is truly a good one. :wink:
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Sorry, I didn't see your last post, as I was editing mine. Actually, I will pass, and let the other people on here decide who is right. I have made my case.
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