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[quote="billmurray

You might be surprised to hear that several of those schools you just mentioned are in favor of the 6 class prop as are a whole bunch more...I'll throw Pine-Richland out there also as I know they are in favor of it. 2 teams in a decade, you have to go all the way back to 1995 to find another 4A school with an enrollment under 1000 to find the next undersized champ (not counting schools that can "get other players"...them's awful odds. no it is not awful odds. How many schools with over a 1000 boys failed to win it also?

The fact is having 6 classes STILL won't bring PA up to speed with most other states our size. . If every other state stopped sponsoring football should PA follow suit? My point is that just because others do it does not make it right.

But let's expand, this isn't only for the larger schools, there are many very small schools that get pounded every year. Every year there's an exception to the rule when a team like BG puts together a monster team but even then the odds are against them. As for watering down the title, I hardly think it does that. You are still the best of 100 instead of 145 and will still have beaten the best your class has to offer.

i will again use Ohio as an example where the D7 champ destroyed the D6 & D5 champ during the regular season. If that is not watering it down I don't know what is.
I'm hearing this time the vote has a good chance at passing so either accept it or you may be in for disappointment.[/quote]

if it gets approved it gets approved and I will still follow, but that doesn't mean I won't think some classes are paper champs knowing they would not of one with the current better setup.

MikeFLN wrote:[quote="billmurray

You might be surprised to hear that several of those schools you just mentioned are in favor of the 6 class prop as are a whole bunch more...I'll throw Pine-Richland out there also as I know they are in favor of it. 2 teams in a decade, you have to go all the way back to 1995 to find another 4A school with an enrollment under 1000 to find the next undersized champ (not counting schools that can "get other players"...them's awful odds. no it is not awful odds. How many schools with over a 1000 boys failed to win it also? the difference is those teams lost to similar sized teams or teams that draw from larger areas

The fact is having 6 classes STILL won't bring PA up to speed with most other states our size. . If every other state stopped sponsoring football should PA follow suit? My point is that just because others do it does not make it right.PA is the largest state with 4 or fewer classes, so every other state it wrong? we have 548 schools, the only other state even close to that with only 4 classes has 278 teams

But let's expand, this isn't only for the larger schools, there are many very small schools that get pounded every year. Every year there's an exception to the rule when a team like BG puts together a monster team but even then the odds are against them. As for watering down the title, I hardly think it does that. You are still the best of 100 instead of 145 and will still have beaten the best your class has to offer.

i will again use Ohio as an example where the D7 champ destroyed the D6 & D5 champ during the regular season. If that is not watering it down I don't know what is.Southern Columbia regularly destroys teams that go on to play in title games, Mt. Carmel can tell you that. It happens, Marian has an excellent program

I'm hearing this time the vote has a good chance at passing so either accept it or you may be in for disappointment.

if it gets approved it gets approved and I will still follow, but that doesn't mean I won't think some classes are paper champs knowing they would not of one with the current better setup. [/quote]

Final reading/vote will be next week.

animus wrote:Final reading/vote will be next week.

There is actually no reading/vote next week. WPIAL still draggin. "old guard" admin there still refuses change while the coaches/ADs are all for it.

Interesting. I was under the impression this was going down the 25th this month.

God bless the WPIAL and it's 1970's mentality.

animus wrote:Interesting. I was under the impression this was going down the 25th this month.

God bless the WPIAL and it's 1970's mentality.

It is on the PIAA's coaches/principal's agenda for the 25th as well as a meeting was held yesterday in which the PIAA directors most likely discussed this subject. Since when does the WPIAL heads change the PIAA's written agenda?

That's what I saw as well, which is why I was surprised when Bill said what he said.

There is just a meeting of the 12 district chairman. Also there is a "steering" committee meeting of the chairmen of the winter sports.
There will be no vote but the support of the district chairman is very important to get the proposal passed.

just a quick update on this: This weekend the ADs Delegate Assembly voted unanimously to support that the PIAA look at all sports classifications.
The AAA and A groups (in their group meetings) stated just 6 classifications in football.

Wed. there is a strategic planning meeting (the chairmen from the 12 districts) to discuss the classification.
This is an important group to get support from.

With their blessing the 1st official vote would be at the May Board meeting.

District 7 continues to be a problem.

billmurray:
Thanks for the info!

Of course the WPIAL leadership is no exception. The WPIAL and the PIAA both think their number one priority is to appear stubborn and powerful like school teachers do after decisions are made. When the Sto Rox admiinistrators stupidly submitted the wrong enrollment numbers, the PIAA should have punished the Sto Rox administrators, not the students. But the students are being forced to pay the price. You can clearly see that concern for the students wasn't number one.
Schools need to stop smiling and brown nosing the leadership of the PIAA and WPIAL in order to have creative and exciting leadership.

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