JK Speech

[LionPride]

[quote="CRLionDawg";p="58002"]Personally, I think the Religious vote follows more along the line of conservative/liberal vs. Repub/Demo.

Conservatives are more likely to be of the Right Wing "Shiite" Baptist variety. Who are strict in their interpretation of the Bible and the Constitution. While the Liberals are more open/loose in their interpretation.

I think the Catholics get caught in the cross fire with their party. A lot are Pro-Life, while they are generally pro-union anti-big business.

What I like about America is that our country was founded on Religious Freedom. The freedom to choose if and how we each as individuals want to worship.

The fact of the matter is, that concept was in its day a completely"Liberal" concept.[/quote]

My experience has been that Catholics are more Republican than Democrat. That is because we hold the value of life (pro-life) much higher than the almighty dollar (pro-union). I disagree with the pro-union/anti-big business part of your post regarding Catholics.

[foghorn]

With all due respect, K, many of the founding fathers were essentially deists. I know of no better guide on how to live a moral life than the Bible, but to declare it was the entire basis for the formation of this country isn't historically accurate.

[CoachK]

thanks foghorn, appreciate it, but I said foundation, built upon, cornerstone, a place of solid footing, stability. Thanks again.

[foghorn]

This is digressing a bit, but when I was in public grade school, after years of going to a Catholic school, I had a teacher who after the Pledge and school prayer (the good old days), he'd read something out of the Bible that had a special tie-in to personal morality. He wouldn't get preachy or anything -- like the sisters and fathers tended to do -- he'd just discuss with us what the passage said about being a good, God-loving person. I still remember that time as being one of my best experiences in school. I know that the present situation in public school forbids that kind of thing, but it really bothers me -- me, the flaming liberal -- that many kids aren't getting that kind of instruction. This guy was a great teacher, first and foremost. Sunday schools have a lot of great people doing their best, but many of them don't have a trained teacher's instincts -- unless they happen to be teachers themselves. Anyway, some of my liberal friends get angry with me when I don't agree with them wholeheartedly with school prayer.

This is a long way of saying that even though own Founding Fathers might have based their beliefs on the ideas about personal and political freedom that were coming out of Europe at the time, Judeo-Christian doctrines were what soon came to play a much more important role in the life of the common man -- not the ideas of French philosophers.

In other words Coach K, I agree with you for the most part.

[CoachK]

I appreciate your comments Foghorn. You have great insight. I see a society, a culture, a country, a world, leadership that has regressed and fallen so far away from as you call them, "the good old days". It is so easy to see the separation the division between what is Scriptually or morally right and what a secular world deems "acceptable" or "normal". Scripture certainly tells us this will happen. It is extremely frustrating to see people "lost". Some are "lost" forever and don't even realize it. I just have a passion to see us all come back to what is important, and that extends from the individual family to the political realm, and into every aspect of creation that matters. Thanks for the comments.

[once a runner]

After looking over the Constitution, I just don't see where our forefathers used the Bible as their cornerstone for our government. The first settlers to what is now the US came for religious freedom. Most of them were Christians. So I think it's fair to say that America was almost exclusively a Christian society for many years. So I will agree that Christianity was part of our society, but not necessarily the basis of our laws.

Also, does "pro-life" mean you are also against the death penalty?

[LionPride]

foghorn - we'll make a republican outta you yet! there's still hope.

all joking aside, i hope that you can agree that the democratic party is not what it once used to be. 30 years ago, i could see myself as a democrat, but the party has moved so far to the left that you almost have to be a pro-choice, gay marriage, higher taxes, socialist proponent to be in line with the party. that's just how i see the party moving, and i think it makes it easier for the republicans to win elections because of this. i do like balance, and senators like zel miller and john mccain help to provide that balance. but senators like feingold, kennedy, clinton and of course kerry and edwards have taken the democratic party too far to the left.

[foghorn]

I came from a big-time Republican family. My dad, God rest his soul, probably spins in his grave when I spout the liberal line. He worked in the brickyard, first as a laborer and then later in mid-level management. The higher up he got the less time he had for unions and Democrats.

[LionPride]

See, the older your Dad got, the wiser he was. I'm betting the same will happen with you .

[Anonymous]

As Ricky Ricardo used to say...."Luuuuuucyyyyyy, I'm Hommmmmmmme! I've read the last 3 pages of posts and want to add a few points. The Pilgrims came to this country because they were being persecuted for their beliefs by the Church of England. They didn't come here to set up a religious country, it just evolved that way because of their Christian beliefs. GW is a born-again Christian. John Kerry couldn't get communion from the Boston Archdiocese because of his pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage stand so he found a splinter Catholic church to give it to him. Why is this man so intent upon trying to present (albeit untruthfully) his 4 month war record in Vietnam as his major saving grace for becoming President? What about his 20 years in the US Senate? Maybe because his record there SUCKS bigtime. Kerry wrote a book years ago about his 'Nam experiences. At the time, due to his anti-war stance, it is assumed all in this book was the truth of his time there. Now, he is trying to sue the publishers and anyone that has anything to do with presenting this book, from getting out the information in it. Why? Because everything he now says is in contradiction to what he said in this book, IN HIS OWN WORDS! Proof of what a LIAR he really is.