Penns Manor vs Columbia

[Suckerfish]

[Zzz]

Mr. Bivitz, you need to realize that Mr. Ferens went to PM growing up, he didn't JUST move there. Let me take you on a walk through history.

Coach B. Packer took over in the 2005-2006 season. Here is how it went since then.
2005-2006 record: 3-7
2006-2007 record: 4-6
2007-2008 record: 6-5 (making the post season)
2008-2009 record: 5-5 (making the post season)
2009-2010 record: 10-2 (making the post season)
2010-2011 record: 9-1 (making the post season and winning a conference championship)
2011-2012 record: 12-1 Current record (making the post season and winning a district championship now playing in the eastern finals)

Coach Pack has had continuous success each year. Danny Ferens is a great athlete, but you should never discredit the kids around him.

All of this information was found on Maxpreps.com, check it out next time Hobo Joe.

Thanks for making my point for me. And thanks, Eaglealum, for also recognizing it. Here's the bottom line to my point: You will have another outstanding year next year (possibly another D6 title, and state playoff run), then you will be back to a 3-7 or 4-6 team year in and year out. There's nothing wrong with that, just be thankful for the moments while you have them. It's just a shame your school's name is PENNS Manor, and not BISHOP Manor. Then you could get a player like Danny every few years instead of once in a lifetime. Congrats on an excellent season PM, good luck this week against SCA, and only time will tell what the future holds. One great player and a few good years does not a proram make.

Ha! Come on guy, you don't need to act like Houdini and try to predict the future. My point was that the program was in an upward swing right from the start. My friend's son just played on a PM 7th grade team that went undefeated a year ago. I look for the program to remain solid, but hell since you're Houdini, we might as well all just give up and lay down so you're 'prediction' will be correct. Why don't you enlighten us and fill us in on who your team is?

[cville]

For the record, PM's 2008 team was 5-5 & got blown out in their only playoff game. PM's only lose in 2009 was United (McCourt) 25-22. There were a lot of very bad call in that game, the officials were a joke; also, Trimble didn't play until near the end & Ben Miller (most under/rated kid on the team) missed a lot of that game with cramps.
Fast forward to 2010, Bishop Carroll, I heard Ferens' shoulder was so bad that he could hardly move it. Do you think if he's a 100% the game's different?

POINT - the 2008 team can't compare to the 2009 & 2010. 19-1 Heritage Conf., only loss, United 25-22, which they beat later that year, in the playoffs, at United 20-14.

Chris Carter - "Come on man"!

[kneeslapper]

Yah, Ferens is legit, no doubt. But when you say he makes a 4 win team into a conference champ ur retarded. Put him on salts burg and tell me they would still be playing. Let's not forget the number 1 scoring defense in d6. O wait, offense is everything, I forgot.

[konjo78]

First of all I grew up and went to penns manor and would of been a senior on 2009 team if I didn't move. I think I know the system and coaches better than you. What happened to purchase line? The were undefeated in 2008 and have won around four games since. It can be tough when making a program without being catholic but what about bellwood? Penns manor can become a power just like bellwood. The trend was up with bill packer. The system is about being the best. 2007 and 2008 were about getting out of the losing funk and starting new trends. It's hard making a losing program into a winning one. Ben Miller is one of my best friends and so are travis holby and braden dalton. To say they were only good because of danny ferens is disrespectful for every comet player. danny is great but he would be the first to say one man doesn't make a team, I know that because I actually know him personally do you?

[Blue Blood]

jack daniel, as promised, reporting back that I saw no elephants or Tide box hats on Saturday.

beeyamz, great prediction on the score (keep tooting)

joe bevitz, you say PM post-Danny Ferens will be 3-7 or 4-6 every year, and then in the very same post also say “only time will tell what the future holds”. Which is it smart guy? As with Zzz, I’d like to hear who your team is as well.

All of you guys (possibly even joe bevitz) have made valid points. Danny WOULD be the first to tell you it takes more than 1 player (even as good as he is, and he is a VERY good football player in all three phases of the game, and as pointed out in an Altoona Mirror article on the Bellwood game, he is truly a triple threat on offense) to accomplish what PM has over the past three seasons. Having said that, there would definitely have been at least a couple more games in the L column, and we would never have gotten the first District Title and State Playoff win in school history if he and his mom (a Clymer native) would not have moved from Texas when Danny was 11. I will also say that we would not have accomplished that level of success, with or without Danny, if other guys that have played with him the past three years (Kenny Jewart, Travis Holby, Ben Miller, Travis Trimble, Garrett Dabella, Luke Walsh, Cory Kelly, Elijah Marshall, Joey Vodopivec, Chris Bracken, Branden Ailes, Matt Poppovich, Kasey Jewart, Cody Bytner, Luke Ruddock, Steven Dumm, etc.). This current run in particular, would not have gone this far if Joey Vodopivec, and to a lesser extent, Jake Paulina, were not there to keep defenses from keying on Danny alone (this was never more true than Saturday when Danny ended up with 200+ and Joey 100+). Also, if any of you know of a team that had a 2,000 rusher and a 1,000 yard rusher in the same backfield the same year that didn't have a solid O line, I'd love to hear how that happened.

The bottom line is that it takes playerS AND coaching to establish and maintain a program. We have had a heck of a run of players coming through the program the past three years in particular (with Danny the cream of the crop), but the coaching, in my opinion, is pretty decent as well, and another key is that as successful as the offense has been over that period of time, the defense has been pretty darn good as well (and it pains me a bit to admit that since I’m an offense guy!) and I don’t think you can have such a successful defense with only one good player (as opposed to possibly being able to build an offense around one).

I honestly do not know how Jerry Page maintained, or how John Hayes continues to maintain, success for such long periods of time.

[cville]

Listen, all you people say you know the Ferens kid, great. I have heard good things about him too. I'm not here to judge him as a person, I'm just stating what I feel, about the kid as a player. I can't believe the remarks about the kid. It seems like the people that know him personally are giving him the least amount of credit, which is so sad. You people are so off base. I'm not going to give the kid credit for anything any more. It seems like you people want to take shots at the kid. I didn't mean to not credit any other kids and I have seen my share of PM games over the past few years and other high school games as well.
The kid is the best high school player I have seen, one the best all around I have ever seen. Maybe if I get to know him personally, like all of you, I won't feel that way & start finding fault in every part of of his game. Obviouslly, all you people are from that area since you know the kid, but it seems like there are more positive remarks about the kid from people who are not from the area; case in point. No wonder the program was so bad before the kid got here!
Read the comments from other coaches week after week, starting his freshman year. The coach from Bishop McCourt all the way up to the coach from Columbia, it always seems to be mainly about Ferens. Hayes' comments, haven't seen too many like him, Columbia, one of the best high school football player I have ever seen & I've been coaching football for 20 plus years. But I'm sure all of you are smarter football wise than these coaches.
Do you think if Vodopivec were not on the team, would Ferens have still got 200+ yds or would Vodopivec still got 100+ yds if Ferens were not on the team? Every coach going against PM keys on Ferens & that opens up things for other players da! Good luck PM & you guys keep lookin for faults in the Ferens' kid's game.

[Blue Blood]

cville – I absolutely agree that Danny Ferens is the best high school football player I have ever had the opportunity to see. He does things that literally make your jaw drop (consistently!). He is definitely a D1 talent. His rushing stats speak for themselves, and if he wasn’t such a terrific runner, you’d see how good of a passer he’s become over the past three seasons as well, and I’d put him up against anybody in District 6 as a shut-down corner (just ask Mike Burke IV, who’s projected to be a D1 receiver). All I was saying is that he has benefited from some of the other guys that have come through with him the past 3 years (while they have ALL benefited from having him as a teammate). More importantly, what I do know of him personally is that he is also a GREAT young man. Level-headed, pretty much a quiet leader (although he’ll make noise when he feels his teammates need to hear some – and that’s what makes it so effective – because it is infrequent and sincere) who truly leads his team by example. I’ve personally seen him take as much (and perhaps even more) pride in throwing a terrific block as running 90+ yards for a TD.

[Blue Blood]

Since I’m new to this stuff, I’m not sure how to start a new thread (or whatever you call it), but I was wondering if anybody would be able to tell me if there has ever been a more productive post-season rushing performance by anybody in District 6 than Ferens’ 4 game totals (so far) of 94 rushes for 831 yards (8.8 per carry and 207.8 per game) with 11 TDs. I’m thinking it’s a pretty safe bet that no other QB has ever come close to those kinds of numbers, and just wondering if anyone has.

[Blueandwhitelion]

I have watched Danny for the last 3 years and he is the best true athlete I had had the privilege to watch in football and track. At the end of the season he was not the top rusher in the county. To say he has stepped up his game in the playoffs is a understatement. You are correct he was hurt in the United playoff game last year so he was not close to 100% for the BC game maybe it would have come out different probably not BC was a very good team with a solid game plan. When United beat him in 09 they just missed scoring on the last play of the game for the win and it was Danny that drove them down the field not a small task for a freshman. So has much as this pains me to say cut PM some slack and enjoy the ride with them. (atleast they are blue and white)