Joe must Go.

[BisonBlue07]

Turner Gill is a solid idea and I have no problem with it, but you have to talk about the "giant elephant in the corner of the room that no one talks about, but knows is there." Do you think the people of PSU would hire a black coach?

I know it's a terrible question to ask in this day, but it has to be asked because as much as we would all like to say that the world is happy and equal; it definitely is not.

[Former Wildcat]

I think TAE is right that Joe needs to go, but this year's team was NOT a national championship caliber team no matter who's coaching. Last year's team might have been, but this year's was not. If PSU played the same schedule as OSU, they probably would finish 7-5 this year. However, they played NOBODY in the non-conference schedule and conveniently avoided playing Wisconsin in conference. Had they played USC and Wisconsin, they would have two more losses and they might have lost to Navy. They were an average team that had a great record because of soft scheduling. They were exposed by the only two good teams that they played. Their O-line was not good. Their receivers are not good. Their D-backs are not good. They do have a good backfield, but that can only be as good as the line in front of them. The do have a good defensive front seven, but not as good at the Nit fans want everyone to think.

They were not a great team this year and that was completely exposed in Beaver Stadium on Saturday.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Wildcat, you are missing everything we said. Penn State by NO MEANS was a national title contender this year. But like I said 3 or 4 times... they had a terrible schedule. That's why I said they should have gone undefeated. Not b/c PSU was awesome, but bc PSU was better than everyone on their schedule.

And they did not "convieniently" avoid Wisconsin!!! Wisconsin rotated off the schedule, brainiac.

Bison, I know exactly what you are saying. I do not however feel that the university is as "crazy" as the deep south. I would think PSU would hire a black coach sooner than you think.

Look, they are going to have to do something quickly. LJ almost left for the Illinois DC job prior to 09 and they beefed his salary to stay. Rumors today that Maryland wants him as a HC. We can't lose Johnson. To keep him, they've got to name him DC soon, AT LEAST. When Joe leaves, Hall is retiring as well. I think Anderson also hinted that he is leaving with Joe. Will be interesting.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Don't talk badly about Lynn, Morris, and Wallace whenever the staff are the ones who put them in position to lose. It could be Champ Bailey and Darren Sharper out there and they'd still run soft zone coverage. Blame the coaches on this one.

[abpk2903]

I agree with Wildcat on the fact that they should not have been national title contenders but at the same 7-5 with OSU's schedule? Who would they have lost to? Let's even say they would have lost to Wisky (which I don't think they would have), USC, and Iowa. Where are the other 2 losses? Navy? Purdue?

Penn State is a young team and 10-2 year is a success. They are not as good as Ohio State and Iowa and would have lost to them no matter who the coach was. The challenge now for the Nittany Lions is to make sure they finish 10-2. Its the coaches and captains job to hold this team together.

[The Ancient Enemy]

They are absolutely better than Iowa. They should have also defeated OSU at HOME. On the road in 2009... no. Losing to a team who is not even close to your level of talent is a disappointment. Iowa should have 5 losses. Now, are they a team who "wins their close games" or did they catch a ton of breaks?

Ohio State is not nearly as good as they have been in past years. You dont catch them playing down very often, and it is imperative to win those when you do. Especially at home.

[Former Wildcat]

First, when I said 7-5, I was assuming that they would play OSU. OSU played PSU, but PSU can't play PSU, so I was assuming that game would remain. If so, they would lose to OSU, Iowa, Wisconsin, USC and Navy. Thus 7-5.

TAE, you keep saying that they are better than Iowa, but Iowa beat them in Beaver Stadium. Iowa did not lose with Stanzi at QB. PSU lost twice by double digits at home. Their offense was anemic in both games. You keep saying PSU is better than Iowa. Based on what evidence. Now that Stanzi is injured, I would agree with you, but not before. You keep saying that PSU should have gone undefeated, but they are not that good of a team. OSU was significantly better on Saturday. The difference between the OSU athletes and the PSU athletes was very noticible.

How can OSU's corners press the PSU receivers all night without getting beat? Answer: Their receivers are not very athletic.

How can OSU's d-line dominate rushing only 4 guys? Answer: PSU's line is not athletic enough.

How can OSU rush for over 200 yards against PSU's front seven? Answer: PSU's front seven (with the exception of Bowman) is not very athletic.

You have talked a lot about how good PSU will be the next two years. Based on what I saw, they are in trouble. I know they have a lot coming back, but they lose their QB on offense. What will a new starter do behind that line? They lose their linebackers, and Odrick. Those guys are supposed to be the strength of the defense and the defense was not very good.

[abpk2903]

I agree. Penn State has shown me nothing to this point in the season for me to think for a second that they are better than Iowa. Penn State lost its two games in which the opposing team was better. They won the game they should have. They are an 8-2 football team to this point.

Penn State would not lose to Navy.

[The Ancient Enemy]

Iowa: An inferior opponent at every position other than DE... and AT HOME.

How can OSU's corners press the PSU receivers all night without getting beat? Answer: Their receivers are not very athletic.

Very simple. You jam those kids (which OSU did) and press with the DEs who overmatch the PSU OTs (which OSU did).

Now, as for 2010's OL...

How can you say that they wont get stronger? Strength is the weakness. They've had trouble against STRONGER DEs... ie OSU and Iowa.

You can't say that a sophomore will never get better, even you guys know that's retarded.

If they get ANY production from Newsome next season... whom I might add has made a ton of progress from HS to Blue and White Game to season... they should win 10 games. Toss-ups being Alabama and Ohio State, both on the road. Probably won't win either, but who the hell knows.

- Secondary basically returns (Morris will be playing RCB this week, as he should)
- Lose all 3 LBs... MAYBE. Bowman? Remember also that Hull lost that spot to Mauti, who tore a knee after.
- Backfield probably returns intact.
- All WRs return intact.
- 3 of 4 on DL.

That's quite a lot.

You can raise the QB thing over their head all you want, but ALL programs rotate starting QBs every 2-3 years. Why are you so surprised?

I am a big PSU pessimist most of the time, but I have seen every snap this season and I do not see as much concern PERSONNEL WISE as you two. Coaching? Don't even get me started.