Served/Didn't Serve

[foghorn]

Just for the record...


Who served, and who didn't!


Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze, Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army, Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,
and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC ! during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.

Republicans
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for
U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared
from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making
movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross and POW.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for
8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army! base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot
back.)

[LionPride]

You forgot people like Bill Clinton and Mikey Moore who didn't serve, and guys like Bob Dole that did. That was a stupid post foggy, even for you.

[Roadie]

He listed Bill Clinton and a ton of others...you call his post stupid? Apparently you have a much higher level of thinking than foghorn. If it was so stupid don't read it.

[LionPride]

Apparently I didn't read all of it :lol:

[fleaflicker]

I really don't see how serving in the armed services makes one a better politician than having not served. Kerry tried to base his whole campaign on three purple hearts over the summer, and I was getting rather annoyed with that. Also, if there was a lot of democrat politicians that served, there's likely as many, if not more, republican voting lower class people who are serving their time in the armed services, and I'm sure that most of you on here know at least one or two of them. So really, how does military service better qualify one for a government post, or make a person more patriotic or valuable? It may prove patriotism, but it doesn't mean a person has more than somebody who did not.

[foghorn]

I figured this would arouse people. It's something someone emailed me -- and I don't buy into its over logic either -- EXCEPT -- isn't it interesting that most of that small powerful group of people advising W on how to rule the world (except for Powell) didn't serve?

I'll suggest this and use LP's favorite rhetorical trick: if the tables were turned, a lot of you would be crucifying a Democratic administration with such little military experience that had sent 1000 soldiers to die.

And that Republican Congress would probably impeach him.

[southpaw]

Foggy you forgot John McCain a pilot and resident of "the Hanoi Hilton" a notorious POW compound in Vietnam. He and others were humiliated by Kerry's testimony to Congress as he accused them of "razing villages in a manner reminscent of Ghengis (Gingis in the Bostonian Dialect) Khan". But apparently Kerry is a master of all American dialects as asked the question recently "can I get me a huntin lincense here?".

Foggy you also forgot about Bush 41 bomber pilot in WW II.

And you also forgot to list John Kerry and to list the medals he discarde disdainfully.

What about Eisenhower?

If this really mattered 80% of the military should vote according to foggy for Kerry and the commies oops I mean Democrats but the reality is that 80% will vote for Bush.

George McGovern did serve heroically in WW II. The late Steven Ambrose wrote a book about him and its first class reading. Too bad he got screwed politically after that and sadly is remembered as anti-war pinko from the 60's.

[LionPride]

we wouldn't have wasted our time with such a silly list......

a quick google search on your topic comes up with a few liberal sites that have that exact list. again, it's called desparation mode.

[foghorn]

I agree the list is silly except for what it says about the current Masters of the Universe. Just thought I'd throw mit out there.

[once a runner]

Silly is in the eye of the beholder. Others might consider a list about Kerry's record on guns silly because they believe those bills will never see his desk if he's president. Others believe it's a vital issue.