High School Recruiting
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CRLionDawg
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The "theory" is reality in places other than PA.
A case in point. A local public school has an outstanding football program. It is a rural setting. Every year several good athletes transfer into this school for the opportunity to play for a good coaching staff in a community that supports football. They are rewarded by the fact they have invested in their football program. The players are rewarded for having the opportunity.
What is wrong with this situation.
They are very competitive with the privates in the state and often beat them.
A case in point. A local public school has an outstanding football program. It is a rural setting. Every year several good athletes transfer into this school for the opportunity to play for a good coaching staff in a community that supports football. They are rewarded by the fact they have invested in their football program. The players are rewarded for having the opportunity.
What is wrong with this situation.
They are very competitive with the privates in the state and often beat them.
they move into the district? they pay tuition to the district? or they do it in an underhanded manner by living out of the district? I guess some play by the rules and some don't....
and don't you think that "good coaching staff" and "community support" is enhanced by the players that come in from the outside? do you really believe that one exists without the other???
As long as all along follow the rules, then the ground is as even as it can be...but nothing is even about public and private...and very little is even when even comparing public (facilities, tax base, etc)...size only tells part of the story....
and don't you think that "good coaching staff" and "community support" is enhanced by the players that come in from the outside? do you really believe that one exists without the other???
As long as all along follow the rules, then the ground is as even as it can be...but nothing is even about public and private...and very little is even when even comparing public (facilities, tax base, etc)...size only tells part of the story....
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Re: High School Recruiting
Let's say those rules exist in PA. Suppose a school like Bedford goes out and actively recruits football players away from Ridge, NBC, etc. They dominate the area and go far into the state playoffs every year. Where is the competition on the local level? The smaller local schools get the leftovers.
I imagine your response will be that it is up to the other schools to compete by fighting fire with fire. Go out and get a coach who will recruit the best athletes to his school. That's fine.....except for this..... high schools start recruiting wars over the best athletes. Some schools realize that the only way to get into the game is get the athletes while they are young. Now 7th and 8th graders are being talked to about what HS to attend. Basically the college recruiting is now at the high school and junior high school level.
Is that what HS is supposed to be about? I like the idea where kids grow up in a community and play for the school in their hometown with the same friends they grew up with. It brings towns and schools together. I don't see that happening with kids from a community going in different directions.
I imagine your response will be that it is up to the other schools to compete by fighting fire with fire. Go out and get a coach who will recruit the best athletes to his school. That's fine.....except for this..... high schools start recruiting wars over the best athletes. Some schools realize that the only way to get into the game is get the athletes while they are young. Now 7th and 8th graders are being talked to about what HS to attend. Basically the college recruiting is now at the high school and junior high school level.
Is that what HS is supposed to be about? I like the idea where kids grow up in a community and play for the school in their hometown with the same friends they grew up with. It brings towns and schools together. I don't see that happening with kids from a community going in different directions.
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Number 1. The scenario I outlined above is 100% transparent and legal.
Number 2. Not every good athlete wants to transfer to a school that specializes in a particular sport. Our school has an excellent Robotics Team. They have competed quite well at the national level for many years. We have kids that transfer here to participate in it.
Number 3. This past season the school I referenced above brought in 3 stud athletes from the city. All 3 ended up signing D1 contracts to play football. The end result for the team was this, they lost the League Championship by one game and they were knocked out of the state playoffs in the second round. By who? Goodrich, our team. So recruiting doesnt always work out. Sometimes it does, Goodrich had 2 transfers, but only one is going to the next level and that is a D2 school.
Number 4, Why not allow people to make there own minds up?
One thing that keeps this process fair is once a student transfers they cannot participate in any HS atletics for a whole semester.
Number 2. Not every good athlete wants to transfer to a school that specializes in a particular sport. Our school has an excellent Robotics Team. They have competed quite well at the national level for many years. We have kids that transfer here to participate in it.
Number 3. This past season the school I referenced above brought in 3 stud athletes from the city. All 3 ended up signing D1 contracts to play football. The end result for the team was this, they lost the League Championship by one game and they were knocked out of the state playoffs in the second round. By who? Goodrich, our team. So recruiting doesnt always work out. Sometimes it does, Goodrich had 2 transfers, but only one is going to the next level and that is a D2 school.
Number 4, Why not allow people to make there own minds up?
One thing that keeps this process fair is once a student transfers they cannot participate in any HS atletics for a whole semester.
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See. There is a stipulation. Sitting out a semester. Doesn't happen HERE though when a public kid goes private and plays sports. Until it happens here, it reeks of unfairness.
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Re: High School Recruiting
Perhaps a better solution would be allowing school of choice, and making schools move into certain classifications by the number of ATHLETES going out for a sport, not the number of students in the school. Then all the teams within a given classification, in theory, would be competitive.
And private schools often do offer better education as well. The public sector is forced to teach the slowest learning and the fastest learning students the same subject and same material at the same rate. Whereas in the private school they can take the best students and teach them more material at a faster rate. Why would a private school hinder its whole purpose by bring in somebody that doesn't make the grade? This type of speed learning would only be beneficial to those students that are good enough to be able to learn from it.
Meanwhile, public schools are forced to prepare the material and teach it at a pace that is conducive to the students that learn the slowest and (often) do the worst.
Which is a better education?
And private schools often do offer better education as well. The public sector is forced to teach the slowest learning and the fastest learning students the same subject and same material at the same rate. Whereas in the private school they can take the best students and teach them more material at a faster rate. Why would a private school hinder its whole purpose by bring in somebody that doesn't make the grade? This type of speed learning would only be beneficial to those students that are good enough to be able to learn from it.
Meanwhile, public schools are forced to prepare the material and teach it at a pace that is conducive to the students that learn the slowest and (often) do the worst.
Which is a better education?
"To give anything less than the best is to sacrifice the gift." -Steve Prefontaine
really? that's how public schools teach? wow, I must have been doing it wrong all these years....
one of the biggest problems between public and private is the effect that discipline (or lack thereof) has on the educational process...since the private school has more flexibility in whom they allow, and certainly whom they keep, it changes how that education can be provided....
and since private schools can limit the number of students it takes, it certainly can affect the teacher-student ratio much more than a public school can....
private schools are not the Statue of Liberty...not all are welcome, and those that are welcomed are welcomed at a price....the dynamics are not the same...
one of the biggest problems between public and private is the effect that discipline (or lack thereof) has on the educational process...since the private school has more flexibility in whom they allow, and certainly whom they keep, it changes how that education can be provided....
and since private schools can limit the number of students it takes, it certainly can affect the teacher-student ratio much more than a public school can....
private schools are not the Statue of Liberty...not all are welcome, and those that are welcomed are welcomed at a price....the dynamics are not the same...
and Dawg, this is PA....no idea what goes on in Michigan...and I tend to think most people on this forum really don't care...although, I'd hate to speak for everyone else...ok, I'll just speak for myself...PIAA regs are what we deal with, fairly or not...I teach...I coach...I deal with it...get in the mix and fight the daily battle...you can't affect the outcome by sitting on the side....
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Everyone in PA complains about the way the privates go about there business. My point is that it doesnt have to be that way and there are other states that manage a different system to create a different end result.
We are currently in a baseball tournament. Next week we will play against the local Catholic school. They are ranked 6th in the state , we are ranked 7th. They have recruits on their roster. We do not. Should we hollar unfair if we lose?
We are currently in a baseball tournament. Next week we will play against the local Catholic school. They are ranked 6th in the state , we are ranked 7th. They have recruits on their roster. We do not. Should we hollar unfair if we lose?